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Topic: Marriage Register - 2 spouse surnames listed (Read 1489 times)
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carvell
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Nice work - thanks very much!
Which website did you get the detail from? Brett road is the same road they're on in 1911, however in 1911 they're at number 78.
The date of marriage is a little annoying though - they are shown as married in 1901 and say they've been married 16 years in 1911. Perhaps being a little economical with the truth.
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MonicaLesl
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Good result nevertheless - regardless of what they said about their marriage date!
Lucky they were still on the same street for 1911 to add extra verification for you 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carvell
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And this must be Elizabeth Bates in 1881:
Class: RG11; Piece: 1639; Folio: 96; Page: 18
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carvell
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Actually scratch that. That's a different family to the one you suggested for 1871. With the family I mentioned, Elizabeth is still living there in 1891, when we know she's in the workhouse then.
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MonicaLesl
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Yep, agree, not the right one. Struggling to find the right one though for 1881...but what is new with Elizabeth 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Giving up with Ancestry and looking at Familysearch's 1881 census www.familysearch.org, there is at the Beckley household:
Betsy Bates, general servant b. Toddington, Bedfordshire
Address: 135 Grosvenor Rd, London, Middlesex
Try using the refs from the familysearch entry to search on Ancestry and nothing 
Monica
Leave out the first 0 and here are the Ancestry refs for that 1881 census entry:
RG11; Piece: 103; Folio: 87; Page: 16
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carvell
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I wonder what she could be doing in London at 18 if that is her.
I'd assumed that she had got pregnant, then perhaps was kicked out and ended up giving birth in the workhouse. Being in London doesn't fit in very nicely!
By the way, Henry Bates died in Q1 1881. Ruth Bates is very easily findable for all years except 1881, not sure if there could be a link.
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carvell
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To make it more confusing, Henry has clearly been married before.
Ruth Bates (aged 25), the wife of Henry Bates, in 1861 has a 17 year old Son! I don't think her age is wrong either, because it's consistent through all the census'.
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MonicaLesl
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Ruth and children are showing at the Woburn Poorhouse for 1881 RG11; Piece: 1638; Folio: 71; Page: 42
Monica
Added: As you can see, Ruth age has jumped by 17 yrs from 1871 to 1881 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carvell
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Nice find, I was only looking at this page yesterday, but assumed the Bates were unrelated:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Woburn/Woburn.shtml
The jump of age perhaps to make her "son" more plausible.
Most likely thing then is that Henry has died in early 1881 and they've all ended up in a workhouse, except Elizabeth who has somehow ended up in London.
Then in a bizarre twist of fate, by 1891 everyone else has left the workhouse and Elizabeth is in there, giving birth to two sons in the process.
.....this family!
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MonicaLesl
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Lots of families Carvell, hard times for many.
I think this is Henry with first wife Sarah in 1851 HO107; Piece: 1755; Folio: 292; Page: 29 and with Ruth by 1861 RG9; Piece: 1004; Folio: 14; Page: 21
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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carvell
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Cool - I'll check those out tomorrow.
Many thanks for all your efforts again!
Whilst I was looking through the workhouse records in Bedford, I spotted a number of references to a William and Phoebe Bates. They were there as they were "poor on account of sickness". William was older than the original William I was interested in, so I glossed it aside, but of course we now know that this was Elizabeth's brother. Phoebe is in the 1871 census with the family.
It's all coming together.
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MonicaLesl
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From IGI at www.familysearch.org:
HENRY BATES (father WILLIAM BATES)
Marriage: Ruth Bonner on 08 JAN 1857 Toddington, Bedford
I think there might be a problem with the freebmd entry. Can't see the marriage there but on Ancestry you have:
Ruth Bonner 1st Qrt 1857, 3b/571
Henry Bates 1st Qrt 1857, 3b/671...6 instead of 5
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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A couple of christening entries also on IGI:
1. SARAH BATES Christening: 11 APR 1858 Toddington
2. PHOEBE BATES Christening: 01 JAN 1860 Toddington
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Origin of the name Phoebe in the Bates line you would think:
HENRY BATES Birth:11 APR 1820/ Christening: 04 JUN 1820 Toddington, Bedford
Parents:WILLIAM BATES and PHOEBE
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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