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Topic: 1851 CENSUS LOOK UP JOHN PACEY (Read 596 times)
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skewbald
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Well there is a John pacey born Strelley, which is the next village (or was then) to Bilborough.
Name: John Pacey Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John abt 1785
Mother's Name: Ann abt 1794
Gender: Male
Where born: Strelley, Nottinghamshire, England
Also Mary his sister born abt 1827
Skewy
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cire
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Hi Skewy
Sorry but I'm not sure that that is the one I want!!!!
In 1861 I have John Pacey and wife Ellen, with a daughter Mary Ann aged 16 and 2 younger children, Emanuel and John, 2 years and 1 month respectively. Mary Ann should be around in 1851, and the big age gap made me think that Ellen was his second wife and Mary Ann a daughter of his first marriage. But then I suppose that Mary Ann could be Ellen's daughter, but given the Pacey name in the census!!!!
Eric
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Beeston, Whithead & Towle
Allesley, Bloxham from c. 1815
Foleshill, Gee (Jee) Adams Millerchip
Burton Dassett, Bloxham to c. 1815
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skewbald
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Hi Eric, in 1881 John Pacey is still with Ellen living in Kimberley at Kimberley Yard, but now gives place of birth as Bilborough. It's the only one I can find as well.
Kimberley Yard was I believe on the hill leading to Swingate. Greasley is the area/district, not the place they lived.
Skewy.
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skewbald
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Hi Eric, in 1901 he is living with his son John at Mill Steret, Basford. Now retired and aged 82, retired miner and gives place of birth as bilborough again.
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Pels.
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Hi you two ! 
There's something about this and I'm struggling to put my finger on it because it's so late ?
In 1861 the family are reportedly lodging with a Mary Brentnall, yet in 1871 Mary is living with them and listed as John's mother-in-law.
I think this is the marriage of John and Ellen:
Marriage, Dec qtr 1860
John Pacy
Ellen Pickering
Basford, Vol 7b, page 209
The following reference for 1851:
HO107/2125, Folio 183, Page 31
Shows Mary Brentnall again, this time with her husband John, living with a grand-daughter indexed as Mary Ann Pinkney, unless I'm mistaken I believe her surname to be Pickering and her age 5.
I'm wondering whether Mary Ann could be the daughter of Ellen and not John Pacey ?
I'll look at this again tomorrow to see if I'm making sense !
Kindest regards,
Pels.
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Pels.
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There aren't any Brentnall/Pickering marriages that I can find on FreeBMD, during this time scale. Although in 1841, a family, by the name of Pickering appear to be living in the same property as John and Mary Brentnall.
HO107/857/5, Folio 8, Page 10
Kind Regards,
Pels.
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Pels.
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Again the Brentnall connection, this time in 1891, with John's birthplace
listed as Strelley, which, apart from the age .. would fit in with the one
Skewy found earlier !
1891 census:
RG12/2659, Folio 120, Page 36
Nottinghamshire, Greasley
Kimberley Yard.
John Pacey, h. mar, 72, Coal Miner, b. Strelley, Nottingham
Ellen, wife, mar, 73, b. Kimberley
Moses Brentnall, lodger, mar, 50, Coal Miner, b. Kimberley
Mary Brentnall, lodger, mar, 49, b. Kimblerley
Kind regards,
Pels.
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Pels.
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I have to go out now, if you would like any of the above census information writing out, I would be more than happy to do it later. Hoping that someone can put me right on the Pacey/Pickering/Brentnall connection ?
Kindest regards,
Pels.
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skewbald
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There is a public tree in Ancestry, gives johns date of death as 4th March 1904, but apart from that nothing we don't know already.
I think the 1851 census is maybe right though as he is a miner then The daughter Mary Ann came with his wife for the 1861 census.
Skewy
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skewbald
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I've found in 1841,
John Pacy 50
Ann Pacy 45
John Pacy 15
William Pacy 3
Living in Stapleford, so the same family as the 1851 census. John junior is a coal miner at aged 15.
Skewy
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skewbald
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It seems to fit in very well Dizzifish. Mary Ann born 1846, so would be 15 on the 1861 census when Ellen had married John, who was again listed as a Pacy, not pacey.
Skewy.
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Pels.
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I hope Eric is as pleased as I am, because this was driving me mad last night. So Ellen Pickering was Mary Bretnalls daughter before she married John !! Hence the close connection between the families over the years !!
Can I comment on one small thing - according to the IGI the marriage between John and Mary was the 23th September 1824, not 1821 .. I wonder which one is correct ??
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