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Topic: 1851 CENSUS LOOK UP JOHN PACEY (Read 592 times)
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cire
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Thats great! Thanks so much to you all for the replies. At least it has given some useful mental exercise!!!!!!!!!
I think you are right about Mary Ann not being John Pacey's daughter, or at least not a legitimate daughter. That was one of the explanations I was considering. I have access to all the censuses except 1851 which "findmypast" don't have fully yet.
Can I move this discussion further concerning this family.
In 1871 & 1881 there is a Sarah A(nn) Tibbs living with John and Ellen Pacey, listed as grand daughter, born around 1864 in either Ripley or Ambergate. There are no parents mentioned and my thoughts were that the elusive Mary Ann might be the mother, but I couldn't find a marriage between a Mary Pacey and someone named Tibbs, and I can't find one for Pickering either.
I have just sent off for Sarah Ann Tibbs birth cert. Her birth was registered in Belper in March 1864.
Many thanks again for some interesting research.
Eric
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Dizzifish
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Hello all,
A little bit more…
Eric...I see from your post you have ordered the birth certificate for Sarah Ann Tibbs and that it is Belper registration district and on FMP the information also gives it as the sub district as Ripley.
Well….. a little bit more digging came up with this marriage =
FreeBMD
Marriages MarQ 1863
WILLIAM TEBB & MARY ANN PICKERING – Belper 7b 538
And FMP also has the marriage details and the sub district is also Ripley and states the marriage took place at All Saints, Ripley, Derbyshire.
As luck has it I have some details of some All Saints marriages at Ripley…… 
Marriage - All Saints, Ripley – 9th March 1863
WILLIAM TEBB, aged 32, Wid, occupation Collier, residence Ripley, father John Tebb, Labourer.
MARY ANN PICKERING, aged 20, spinster, father John Pickering, Collier.
William signed & Mary Ann her mark X
Witnesses = Joseph Tebb & Biddy Tebb
Regards
Sheila.
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Dizzifish
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You are welcome....
I see you have posted while I was typing this... 
Maybe the reason Sarah Ann Tibbs is with her grandparents is because her mother died?
FreeBMD
Deaths JunQ 1864
TEBB Mary Ann Belper 7b 285
It is also on FMP at Ripley and her age is given as 21yrs, but she doesn’t appear to have been buried at Ripley All Saints.
It didn’t take William long to remarry =
Marriage – All Saints, Ripley. – 23rd October 1864
WILLIAM TEBB, age 32yrs, Wid. Collier, residence Ripley, father John Tebb, Labourer
HARRIET SIMPSON, aged 26 yrs, Wid, occupation Green Grocer, father John Hill.
Both signed
Witnesses = Daniel Hill & Mary Jane Crowston.
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Dizzifish
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Hello Eric,
I thought I would try and find the Pacy/Pickering marriage to help you sort out the family, although I can see you seem to have it mostly sorted now, although it looks like Robert Pickering married twice; I have thrown a few more in case they help any……
I don’t know where any of them were buried but it wasn’t in Greasley.
Kind regards
Sheila.
From Phillimore’
Marriage at Nottingham St Nicholas – 1st September 1805
ROBERT PICKERING & MARY BRADLEY, both of this parish
MARRIAGES below all took place at St Mary’s Church Greasley
22nd October 1798 – By Banns
ROBERT PICKERING of the parish of Bilborough, bachelor &
MARGARET ROBINSON, spinster.
Both signed their mark X
In the presence of: Henerey Soan? & John Padley
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2nd September 1805 – By Banns
JOHN BRENTNALL of this parish &
SUSANNAH DRAPER of the said parish
John signed, Susannah X
In the presence of: Joseph Hays & Joseph Ellis
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4th May 1823 – By Banns
ELIJAH BRENTNALL & HANNAH ALDRED, both of this parish.
Both signed
In the presence of: Gervas Hives?, Sarah Eyley & John Matthews
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23rd September 1824 – By Banns
JOHN BRENTNALL & MARY PICKERING, both of the parish
John signed, Mary X
In the presence of: John Chambers, Ann Bradley X & John Matthews
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5th December 1830 – By Banns
WILLIAM ELLIOTT of the parish of Radford &
MARGARET PICKERING of this parish
William signed, Margaret X
In the presence of: James Dunk, Eleanor Elliott X & Joseph Gelstharp
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16th October 1837 – By Banns
JOHN BRENTNALL, full age, bachelor, Coal Miner, address Kimberley.
Father John Brentnall, coal miner.
MARY HALLAM, a minor, spinster, FWK, address Kimberley.
Father John Hallam, FWK.
Both signed their mark X
In the presence of: John Holbrook, Sarah Pickering X & Joseph Gelstharp.
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12th February 1844 – By Banns
THOMAS BROWN, full age, bachelor, coal miner, address Kimberley.
Father James Brown, Labourer.
SARAH PICKERING, full age, spinster, address Kimberley.
Father Robert Pickering, coal miner.
In the presence of: Joseph Jackson, Martha Marshall Pickering X & Joseph Gelstharp
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30th December 1844 – By Banns
JOSEPH BRENTNALL, a minor, bachelor, coal miner, address Kimberley.
Father John Brentnall, coal miner.
HANNAH DAYKIN, full age, spinster, Lace runner, address Kimberley.
Father James Daykin, Stone Mason.
Both signed their mark X
In the presence of:
Stephen Daykin, Martha Marshall Pickering & Joseph Gelstharp.
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18th November 1860 – By Banns
JOHN PACY, aged 39yrs, bachelor, coal miner, address Kimberley.
Father John Pacy, Labourer.
ELLEN PICKERING, aged 42yrs, spinster, address Kimberley.
Father Robert Pickering, coal miner.
Both signed their mark X
In the presence of: George Dale X, Margaret Elliott X, & John Attenborough
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cire
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Hi
I have now received the birth certificate for Sarah Ann Tibbs, which shows our investigations were correct.
b. 17th Dec 1863, Hammersmith Ripley, Sarah Ann, father William Tibbs, mother Mary Ann Tibbs formerly Pickering, father coal miner birth registered by Mary Ann Tibbs on 4th Jan 1864.
The surname is here shown as Tibbs.
I have a photo of the wedding of Elizabeth Willmott, daughter of John Willmott and Sarah Ann Willmott( nee Tibbs).(1908) I presume the couple sitting next to the bride are the above, her mother and father.
I can probably extract a photo of Mary Ann if needed.
Thanks for all the effort which went into this topic.
Eric
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