Geordie daughter
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Terry
I went and sent your message back to you before I'd replied to it, nitwit that I am, and now I can't send my reply, as I keep getting an error message!! Could you PM me again so I can reply?
Thanks.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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There are sevaral areas of Berwickshire and Roxburghshire connected to the Earl of Roxburgh, as an example the Parish of Makerstoun (Roxburghshire) was around 12 miles square, most of the land occupied by the parish belonged to Sir Thomas and Lady Makdougal Brisbane, the remainder under the ownership of the Duke of Roxburghe.
Bowden Kirk (Roxburghshire) has a long history, founded in 1128 the church was at one point a virtual ruin. After the reformation the chancel was used as a burial area by the Roxburghe family.
In 1909 the Duke of Roxburgh paid for the renovation of the chancel and the 17th century Laird's Loft was relocated to the current position, the Laird (an elder of the Kirk) stil uses the Laird's Loft. The organ was installed in 1912.
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Geordie daughter
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You sound like just the person I need, Glen, so I hope you don't mind if I pick your brains! Do you know whether the Duke of Roxburghe had land at or around Duns? I've so far been unable to establish any particular link with my Services and the Duke's estates. John's family appears to have lived in Duns, Coldstream, Hutton, Edrom and Clockmill at various stages of their lives, if that's any help, but I've no idea where his father lived prior to his marriage to Christian Brown. Also, do you know anything about bleaching fields or a bleaching mill in Clockmill, for example, who the landlord was? I'd be really grateful if you can provide any answers to these questions.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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I can't really help with any of the land ownership queries i'm afraid.
Clockmill and Duns Castle both sit on the same side of Duns, the edge of the Castle estate and Clockmill are separated by a short walk. I know there are some quite old houses within the castle estate grounds, presumably in use by workers on the estate at some point.
I don't know if the textile bleaching is an important link but all the sites you mention seem to have had some link to the industry or textiles in one way or another.
A useful site for all things historical relating to Scottish places can be found on the following link,
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/gaztitle.html
The word search will bring up various results and the tabs on the right of the screen (once you get the hang of them) can lead to some really useful transcriptions and historic descriptions, many from the 1870-1890 period. Some places also have descriptions of listed buildings etc (Coldstream being one example).
Rumour has it that i descend from a disowned member of the Hay (Duns Castle) family, there are common names with that Hay family to mine but i have a long way to go before i can prove or disprove a link and probably a jump back at least three generations on my current findings.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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Just to add Hatchednize is a farm 2-3 miles west of Coldstream on the main Edinburgh road, quite a distinctive row of labourers cottages close to the farm too but quite probable that they are post 1851.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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Hi Terry
Nice image, doubtless someone will ask what First Kelso Laddie means, and posted just as this years Streamer will be gearing up for his big week.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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I had to read that twice before the penny dropped 
I doubt it can be any wetter than last year anyway, Flodden was a floodin'.
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Geordie daughter
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Thanks for the lovely pic, Terry. What a good looking young man! I have a pic of John looking very stern and patriarchal, but I'm not sure my technical skills are up to posting it.
Glen, thank you for all the info you've given me. I didn't know the places where my lot lived had links with the textile industry, or that Clockmill was so close to Duns Castle. I really envy you your local knowledge!! I managed to find out a bit more about Hatchednize Farm last night, and suspect I'll be spending a lot of time on that Scottish Gazette site today.
John Service must have done well for himself as a chemical works foreman, considering he was the son of an Ag. Lab. My mum tells me they were well off enough to afford a maid; her mum's sister Elvie was brought up by her grandparents (their mother was very ill after the birth of one of the younger children) and never had to lift a finger, apparently, so it was a great shock when she married and had children of her own.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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I'm guessing a bit at the textile links to be honest, the area has long links to wool and textiles even though nowadays it's hanging on by a thread really (pun intended). There are still several places with "mill" in the name around the area, most alongside some form of stream or flowing water but i would think a few where milling wheat. It's not something i have really looked at in detail.
Chirnside mill was really connected to paper, the old mill buildings still forming a large part of the site used by the current owners. The link below is to a photograph available under a creative commons licence and shows the old buildings within the modern complex.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/122185
Berwick, or more accurately Spittal had a chemical works in the 1800's too, largely to supply the needs of the bleaching industry.
Sorry, it's all a bit vague and general but it sets the scene for the area for you.
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Geordie daughter
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Every little helps, as they say...! Researching the background really helps to flesh out the lives of these people, and bring them alive again.
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Glen in Tinsel Kni
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If you visit the google map site and search "Duns Golf Club" then the satellite image will show two large light coloured fields just to the right of the golf club. The fields are the area known as Clockmill. Just above the fields you can see a large area of grass with trees dotted around the edges, that's Duns Castle estate.
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Geordie daughter
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That's wonderful! Thank you, Glen!
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