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gortonboy
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hi,,i have a puzzle that i would like a few opinions on,its a bit long winded but here goes,,,,,,,,,,
my great great grandfather WILLIAM TIMPERLEY married a MARY CASH in 1830. They had children SAMUEL,HANNAH,JOHN,THOMAS,SARAH AND FRANK. You can see them H0107/115/5-5/2 1841 CENSUS. You can see them in 1851 census H0107/2162/47/28. By 1861 Mary has remarried a JAMES RIDGWAY,,You can see them {with the children listed as step children} RG09/2588/22/7. So i assumed that WILLIAM had died and that MARY had re-married. All well and good,,,or so i thought !!! The problem i have is this,,,,,,I looked up the 2nd marriage whilst at the m/c central library today and have been left puzzled ever since. The marriage took place apr 25 1853,,,at first glance all looked ok...JAMES RIDGWAY marries MARY TIMPERLEY,,,,Except for these puzzling questions.....I know WILLIAM died in 1856,,,why has MARY put "spinster" as her condition??? Why has she put SAMUEL TIMPERLEY as her father  Her age is given as 26,,giving a d.o.b of 1827....JAMES is 25,,giving a d.o.b of 1826. Going back to the 1841 census...MARY D.O.B is given as 1811{in 1851 its 1808!} In the 1861 MARY IS B 1807 JAMES B 1803. What is going on Also was it usual to divorce and then remarry in those days...why the massive age discrepancys??,,,why describe herself as spinster? Why have they apparently made themselves 15 years younger at the 2nd marriage......ALL OPINIONS GREATLY APPRECIATED. MIKE.
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MCHUGH {mayo/manchester} MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago} KENNY{Kingswear,devon/manchester} TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester} LEE{manchester}
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gortonboy
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HI,,IT WAS DEFINITELY RIDGWAY,,I SPELLED IT WRONG IN THE POST,,,HAVE CORRECTED IT. I DONT KNOW WILLIAMS FATHERS NAME,,,BUT WILLIAM IS A PREVALENT NAME IN THE FAMILY...IF IT IS A DIFFERENT MARY{I DONT THINK IT IS} WHY HAS SHE GOT THE CHILDREN FROM THE MARRIAGE TO WILLIAM WITH HER,,,,THEY MUST BE HER CHILDREN,,THE NAMES AND AGES ALL FIT.
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MCHUGH {mayo/manchester} MCHALE{mayo/manchester /chicago} KENNY{Kingswear,devon/manchester} TIMPERLEY{wilmslow-bollin fee,Manchester} SMITH{manchester} LEE{manchester}
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Ruskie
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I originally thought it must be the wrong marriage too, but maybe the vicar had been on the turps and made a few mistakes. 
I know WILLIAM died in 1856,,,why has MARY put "spinster" as her condition??? Perhaps the vicar just assumed she was a spinster. Why has she put SAMUEL TIMPERLEY as her father Maybe the vicar asked what her father's name was and she said 'Samuel' - the vicar then just mistakenly wrote the wrong surname. Was her father's first name Samuel? Her age is given as 26,,giving a d.o.b of 1827....JAMES is 25,,giving a d.o.b of 1826. Going back to the 1841 census...MARY D.O.B is given as 1811{in 1851 its 1808!} In the 1861 MARY IS B 1807 JAMES B 1803. What is going on If she was older than James and was fibbed about her age on her marriage certificate so the age different wasn't so marked. If James is also fibbing about his age, then I'm not sure why that would be. Must be that intoxicated vicar again.
PS. Sorry I messed up those quotes - I was hoping to quote you then add my thoughts but it didn't quite work out that way - hope you can decipher it. 
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danuslave
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Just another thought
The 1851 & 1861 census details are all around Bollin Fee & Wilmslow. Assuming the 2nd marriage took place in the same area, it would probably register in Altrincham.
I think the 1853 marriage is registered in Macclesfield.
It's not conclusive of course!!
Linda
PS Useful list of registration districts at
www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg
which you can download as a .pdf. Comes in very handy at times like this 
Linda
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gortonboy
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my head hurts 
so,,,if the second marriage is a different mary,,,why are the children from the first marys marriage living with the second mary and james ridgway ?? i just cant make the connection,,,did mary timperley nee cash and william both die,,,,then another relation,also called mary timperley marry james ridgway and take the orphaned children into her home
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regross
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Hi,
you certainly have a puzzle.
However in your first post you state that WILLIAM TIMPERLEY married a MARY CASH in 1830. She would need to have been born c 1810-1815
How could the Mary Timperly age is given as 26,,giving a d.o.b of 1827 who married James, possibly be the same woman? She would have to have taken at least 10 years off her age, but how would she explain the ages of her children, if the first was born in the 1830's she would not have been old enough to be the mother of the childen listed.
Could This mary Timperly be a second Mary ? who married William Timperly possibly after the death of the first Mary. ? When did William Timperly die?
Then when William dies she is the children's step mother and of course continues to care for them in her subsequent marriage.
It is just one possible solution but you ned to list birth years for the children and also to look for a subsequent marriage of William to another Mary.
regards
Robyn in Australia
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Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett, Hampshire;
Gullett: Devon:
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon, Scotland;
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gortonboy
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THE FOG SLOWLY BEGINS TO LIFT....
1841 CENSUS FOR HOUGH LANE,BOLLIN FEE.WILMSLOW
SAMUEL TIMPERLEY 55 B 1786 COTTON WEAVER
MARY TIMPERLEY 55 B 1786
THOMAS TIMPERLEY 25 B 1816
JOSHUA TIMPERLEY 20 B 1821
MARY ANN TIMPERLEY 15 B 1826
ALL BORN CHESHIRE
maybe this is the mary that marries james ridgway,,,right age,,right location,,right father with right profession............
now all i have to do is figure out the connection between this family and the other children,,,,,maybe they are related,,and when she marries james she takes the children of her dead UNCLE? COUSIN? ETC ----WILLIAM.
WADDYA THINK ?
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gortonboy
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SO,,,,,,MARY ANN MARRIES JAMES IN 1853,,,,,,,,,WILLIAM DIES IN 1856,HIS WIFE{MARY,,NEE CASH} IS LOOKING AFTER THEM.,,,OR VISA VERSA,,,,SHE DIES FIRST,,THEN HE DOES IN 1856 ,, SO THE CHILDREN GO TO LIVE WITH THERE "RELATION",,,MARY ANN TIMPERLEY,,,,,,SOUNDS REASONABLE ,,,,,,,,
SO,,,NEED TO FIND DEATH OF MARY TIMPERLEY{NEE CASH}BETWEEN 1853 AND 1861,,,AND TRY AND FIND A CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO TIMPERLEY FAMILIES !!!!!
PHEW,,,,,,THANKS EVERYONE VERY MUCH FOR CHEWING THIS OVER WITH ME,,,IT IS MUCH APPRECIATED,,,,WOULD STILL LIKE SOME MORE OPINIONS ON MY LATEST THEORY,,,AND SOME HELP WITH THE DEATH AND THE POSSIBLE FAMILY LINK,,,,,,,,CHEERS ALL
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