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regross
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 04:07 UTC (UK) »
Hi again

several deaths for a Mary Timperly  on Free BDM's in that time frame but one real possibilty

Deaths Sep 1860   
Timperly    Mary         Warrington    8c   75

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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 04:28 UTC (UK) »
hi,,,not too happy about it being in warrington,,,,cheers though,,
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 06:14 UTC (UK) »
Hi,

It's listed in free bmd as:
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The district Warrington spans the boundaries of the counties of Cheshire and Lancashire; information about it can be found here.

I felt it relevant because of the mention of Cheshire in the census entries.

 Have you checked 1971 cenus forany of them yet?

another tantalising Timperly/ridgway combination from the  International Genealogical Index a submitted entry:

Thomas Wilbraham Ridgeway Timperley  -
Gender: Male Birth: About 1830 , , Wales

and note this extracted entry:
WILLIAM THOMAS POSTLES TIMPERLEY  -Christening: 29 JUL 1807 Saint James, Manchester, Lancashire, England

and this could be son Samuel of William and Mary in 1881 still in Parsonage Green Bollin Free:

Samuel TIMPERLEY      Head 52  Gardiner Dom       Bollin Fee, Cheshire,
 Maria TIMPERLEY      Wife  45   Laundress       Bollin Fee, Cheshire,         
 Mary WARBURTON      Mother In Law   84      Bollin Fee, Cheshire,     
 John WARBURTON      Son    26   Railway Labr  Bollin Fee, Cheshire,       
 Samuel TIMPERLEY  Son To Head      17      Print Works Labr Calico      Bollin Fee, Cheshire,      
 Mary TIMPERLEY      Daur  14 Silk Hand Worker   Bollin Fee, Cheshire,       
 Jane TIMPERLEY      Daur   9  Scholar     Bollin Fee, Cheshire,         
 William TIMPERLEY  Son      6  Scholar      Bollin Fee, Cheshire,      
 James TIMPERLEY      Son    3      Bollin Fee, Cheshire,

good hunting

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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 07:14 UTC (UK) »
I would suggest you trawl through the babtism / marriage / burial for cash / timperley and ridgway on CPRDb as there are many of them and I feel sure your answer will be found after a LONG visit and comparing the different Marys / Williams and James that are involved...happy hunting...lol...allan Cheesy
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 13:20 UTC (UK) »
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if the second marriage is a different mary,,,why are the children from the first marys marriage living with the second mary and james ridgway


I think we've all lost the plot here   Cheesy Cheesy

Going back to your original post

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WILLIAM died in 1856

2nd marrige....  took place apr 25 1853,,,at first glance all looked ok...JAMES RIDGWAY marries MARY TIMPERLEY

Spot the problem??  Undecided Undecided

I think the 1853 marriage is a different James Ridgway as well as a different Mary Ann Timperley!!  In other words it's not your two at all.

Both Ridgway and Timperley seem to be fairly common in the area.  Unfortunately you've picked up the wrong Marriage.  This eliminates most of the 'problems' we are trying to solve - which don't actually exist!

Back to the drawing board  Wink Wink

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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 18:08 UTC (UK) »
there HAS to be a connection,,,,,,,,,,why are the children from the marriage of mary timperley{nee CASH} and WILLIAM...living with JAMES RIDGWAY and MARY ANN TIMPERLEY Huh  if ,,as you think,,they are two totally unrelated marriages??  The children living with JAMES and MARY are DEFINITELY the children of WILLIAM and MARY....The question remaining is why they are living with JAMES AND MARY.
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 18:48 UTC (UK) »
I think the 1861 census entry is correct but the people on marriage certificate are a different James and Mary to the ones that are on that census return so 2 Mary Timperley's married 2 James Ridgways.

I couldn't find any more matching Timperley/Ridgeway marriages but I did find this on Cheshire BMD. Cheshire BMD lists for marriages alternative names for bride and groom which are on the certificate or index. There is a Mary Timperley marrying  a James Faulkner in Altrincham in 1859. Mary had an alternative name of Cash.
Here is the link to the result:
http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/printaka.cgi?date=1860&county=cheshire&reference=TR%3aALT%2f6%2f53&file=T&pos=85318&area=TR&prefix=TR:&lang=

if it doesn't work type in Cheshire bmd into google, search for marriages 1859 and there will be a Mary Timperley listed , click on the link on her surname and you will see what I'm on about.

Now why James Faulkner should turn into James Ridgeway I don't know. I am on fmp so can't check the 1851 census but it would interesting to see if there is a James Ridgeway and a James Faulkner or if the two are the same man.
I couldn't see a James Faulkener in 1861 married to a Mary in Altrincham district.
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 21:20 UTC (UK) »
AHHH..I SEE THE PROBLEM NOW,,,THE AGES FOR THE MARY ANN TIMPERLEY,,,AND THE AGES FOR THE MARY MARRIED TO JAMES DONT MATCH,,,,,SO I NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT JAMES AND MARY MARRIAGE,,,,,,,,OH DEAR,,,,,IF I CAN FIND A MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MARY  AND A JAMES RIDGWAY,,WITH THE CORRECT DOB,,,,THEN I HAVE CRACKED IT,,,,,SHE COULD INDEED BE THE MARY TIMPERLEY{NEE CASH}  AND THEY COULD BE HER REAL STEP CHILDREN,,,,,I JUST HAVE THE WRONG MARRIAGE,,ROUND AND ROUND I GO,,,,LOL.....
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:14 UTC (UK) »
Now you've got it!!

As well as the ages being wrong, if William didn't die until 1856 then your Mary shouldn't have been getting married again in 1853!

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« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:29 UTC (UK) »
THANKS LINDA,,,,IM WAS GETTING MYSELF SO WOUND UP I COULDNT SEE IT,,,,IM A DOPE !  SO I JUST NEED A MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MARY TIMPERLEY{NEE CASH} TO A JAMES RIDGWAY BETWEEN 1856 AND 1861,,,,ANYBODY???  I CANT FIND ONE !!!! Cry
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:36 UTC (UK) »
Try reading my post again Gortonboy!  Smiley

I think it's quite a coinicidence that a Mary Timperley/Cash should marry a James right place and time frame as we are looking for. His surname may be different but worth an investigate.
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« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:50 UTC (UK) »
THANKS,,,WILL INVESTIGATE EVERY ANGLE!!

HERE IS JAMES RIDGWAY IN THE 1851 CENSUS 6 OLD ROAD,,BOLLIN FEE

JAMES RIDGWAY 48 B 1803 WEAVER COTTON
HANNAH RIDGWAY 48 B 1803 BOBBIN WINDER
JOSEPH RIDGWAY 31 B 1820 WEAVER COTTON
ANN RIDGWAY 17 B 1838 WEAVER COTTON
RICHARD RUTTER 2 B 1849 GRANDSON

THIS IS HIM,,BECAUSE ON THE 1861 CENSUS ,,RICHARD RUTTER IS LIVING WITH JAMES RIDGWAY,,HIS THEN WIFE MARY RIDGWAY,,AND IS LISTED AS THIER GRANDSON

SO JAMES WAS MARRIED BEFORE TO A HANNAH,,,,
SO JAMES TOOK HIS GRANDSON TO LIVE WITH HIM WHEN HE MARRIED MARY,,,AND MARY TOOK HER CHILDREN ,,,,,JUST GOTTA FIND THE MARRIAGE !!!   BUT EVEN IF I DONT,,I THINK THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED,,,I WAS JUST GETTING HUNG UP ON THE OTHER JAMES RIDGWAY MARRIAGE TO MARY ANN TIMPERLEY...SO,I AM HAPPYISH !!!
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Re: puzzled??? opinions wanted.
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 30 July 09 07:43 UTC (UK) »
Hi

found this very cryptic Ridgawy marriage entry on Free BMD

Marriages Jun 1859
Ridgway    ?         *    *   ?    
Ridgway    ?         *    *   ?    
Ridgway    ?         *    *   ?

Not that this helps at all.

There are also a couplke on the Cheshire site but none match with Mary at all.

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« Reply #28 on: Thursday 30 July 09 09:25 UTC (UK) »
Deaths Dec 1859     Hannah   Ridgway  Altrincham  8a 111

This is the only Altrincham Hannah death 1851-61, but there were others in nearby areas.
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« Reply #29 on: Thursday 30 July 09 21:57 UTC (UK) »
thanks Hazel...that looks ok,,it leaves James a couple of years to remarry Mary before the 1861 census, Grin
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