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maz1968
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double check plz
« on: Wednesday 29 July 09 15:34 UTC (UK) »
Can one of you good ppl do a double check for me....
the family I am searching were mostly all born and lived Northumberland, in the Alnwick, Morpeth, Amble area

I have my grt grt grand parents :-
Ralph Armstrong born 1841 Mitford
Mary Spavin born 1840 Embleton

Ralph's parents I 1st had down as :-
Ralph Armstrong born 1780 Hatton
Elizabeth Trapps born 1824 Hexham
( but Ralph was down as born in Hexham with this family)

Now I found in a 1851 census a family living in Felton. the surnames were transcribed wrong.....
it it should read as follows :-

John Young Head age 33 born Scotland,
Eliza Young Wife age 39 born walkworth,
Mary Ann Armstrong Dau 12 born North Long Horsley,
Ralph Armstrong Son 10 born North Mitford,
William Armstrong Son 7 born North Mitford.

the diff surnames is baffling I do have a copy of the census if this helps anyone.... but my gut instincts say that this is they family I want...
I think I have put all info on here but if anyone need any more just ask..

I would be most grateful if someone could double check this for me and take me out of my misery and ease my aching bad head.....
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 15:49 UTC (UK) »
Hi maz

I think it's just a case of Ralph's father having died and Eliza remarrying

1841 census: HO107 Piece 835 Book 3 Folio 4 Page 3   
High & Low Highlaws Farms, West, Mitford, Highlaws, Northumberland

ARMSTRONG
James   25   Hind
Eliza      25
John        6
Margaret  4
Mary Ann  2
Ralph    4 months
Mary GILLEN 10  female servant
all born Northumberland

Whether it's your family or not is not certain, you would need Ralph's birth cert or his marriage cert to find his father's name and occupation

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Re: double check plz
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 16:01 UTC (UK) »
In 1861 Ralph is still at home, but all the family is listed under the surname Young

RG 9 Piece 3874 Folio 84    Page 37     and the family is living in Hadstone, Northumberland
- I can give full details if you don't have access

I think the best thing would be to get Ralph & Mary's marriage cert then you would be sure
Dec 1866     Alnwick    10b   500
ARMSTRONG  Ralph      SPAVIN    Mary A

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Re: double check plz
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 16:28 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Barbara

I do have Ralph Armstrong and Mary Spavin living in broomhill which is part of hadston on the 1871 census... which is also where my gr grandfather, grandfather and mother were all born

I am a member of Ancestory and have tried searching on there but just kept drawing a blank.... but will have another look...

many thanks for taking up your time to have a look for me it much appreciated.
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 16:49 UTC (UK) »
Sounds like the right family then, and for 1861 you need to look under surname YOUNG with the reference I gave.

I was researching a family where the same thing happened, the mother remarried and the children took the step-father's surname, then when the son married he reverted to his original surname.

Let me know if you still have trouble finding the 1861 census


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Re: double check plz
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 19:27 UTC (UK) »
thanks Barbara

iv had a good look on ancestry changed things around, tried looking different angles but just cant find anything, under young, armstrong... or for eliza, john and james..... im now getting a right head ache....lol
iv even tried having a look on the 1861 census disc but i dont see anything on there either......
i may try afresh  another day...
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:24 UTC (UK) »
Hi maz

I was hoping you would find them as I can't read the birthplaces too well - so I'm guessing, (I think the enumerator was too, or just having a bad pen day)
will have to look at the gazetteer!

Just enter Ralph Young and Northumberland Hadstone for residence, it should appear for you

1861 RG 9 Piece 3874 Folio 84    Page 37
Hadstone Northumberland
John Young     head 44   Drainer     Scotland Lanarkshire
Eliza Young    wife   49                   Hauxley Northumberland
Mary A Young    dau   22  At Home    Linden         "
Ralph Young    son   20  Drainer      Heighley         "
William Young       "    17        "               "              "
Eliza Young     dau   9  At Home     East Edington   "
Thomas R Young son 5         "          Swarland

edit: have modified some of the birthplaces

Barbara
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:25 UTC (UK) »
Hi Maz,

don't know if this helps or hinders the headache

There is a baptism in Mitford (Bishops transcripts) for Ralph Armstrong -
28 Feb. 1841, to James and Eliza Matthews of High Heighly, father Hind.

IGI have a baptism for Mary Ann in Long Horsley (extracted) for 22 Feb. 1839, parents James Armstrong and Eliza.

Unfortunately the only baptism I can find in Mitford for a William shows him baptised on 28 Jan 1844 - illegitimate son of Eliza Armstrong  Huh

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Re: double check plz
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:28 UTC (UK) »
Hi Barbara,

Hauxley is OK, Linden is, I think, in Longhorsley parish and I suspect that Nigkley is a bad transcript for Heighly/Heighley.

Not sure about East Ekington - have to look that one up myself  Smiley

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Re: double check plz
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:32 UTC (UK) »
Well I think that's great, Christine.  Smiley

I imagine James Armstrong died, Eliza took up with John Young and had son William before she married John,  if she actually did marry him, I couldn't see a marriage for them.

While I was typing this you've been sorting out the birthplaces, as I have been doing, I just thought I'd type what I saw before making any guesses, and you say the same as I was going to put now, that Heighley is probably right - have you seen the census image?  Edington is near Mitford where Ralph was born, so I've modified my earlier post - it's indexed as East Chivington on ancestry!

Barbara
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 29 July 09 22:47 UTC (UK) »
Didn't exactly sort out the birthplaces - shortcut more like   Cheesy

I know Hauxley (which isn't too far from Broomhill and Hadston, now I think about it).  Last Thursday I drove past Linden Hall just before I drove into Longhorsley - so an educated guess on that one  Grin

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Re: double check plz
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 30 July 09 15:29 UTC (UK) »
Thanks Christine and Babara

Id love to know how you guys find your info, I can never get anything on Ancestry and have considered joining another site with a better search history......

Well I will it another go on Ancestry and see if I can come up with anything, I do know I couldn't find a marriage for Eliza with either john or James... but lets hope i get less of a head ache today..... I will also give my northumberland census discs another shot.... wish me luck...

Maz
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Re: double check plz
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 30 July 09 16:31 UTC (UK) »
well its amazing what you get with a fresh head...lol
I found both 1861 and 1841 census... now for a look for marriage and death certs....
I even got my old map I have of Northumberland and was looking up all the areas they were born, Couldn't Find Thomas Young though, I'm sure the area of birth is spelt wrong but just couldn't find it on the map or anything close to the spelling of swarland....lol I do know a lot of places they spelling for them have changed a lot over the years.....


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Re: double check plz
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 30 July 09 16:50 UTC (UK) »
Hi

Here's the location of Swarland:

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=416240&y=604440&z=126&sv=416240,604440&st=4&ar=y&mapp=map.srf&searchp=ids.srf&dn=644&ax=416240&ay=604440&lm=0


Just NE of Longframlington


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Re: double check plz
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 30 July 09 16:52 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: maz1968 on Thursday 30 July 09 15:29 UTC (UK)
Thanks Christine and Babara

Id love to know how you guys find your info, I can never get anything on Ancestry and have considered joining another site with a better search history......

Maz

It's just practise!  Try not putting too much information into the search boxes.

Glad you found the census eventually.

Quote from: maz1968 on Thursday 30 July 09 16:31 UTC (UK)

I even got my old map I have of Northumberland and was looking up all the areas they were born, Couldn't Find Thomas Young though, I'm sure the area of birth is spelt wrong but just couldn't find it on the map or anything close to the spelling of swarland....lol I do know a lot of places they spelling for them have changed a lot over the years.....
Maz

Swarland is near Morpeth http://www.rootschat.com/links/06sx/
It comes under the Alnwick registration district, so this is probably Thomas' birth registration:
Mar 1855   Alnwick    10b   248   YOUNG    Thomas Richard   

Barbara      Smiley

Hi Gadget, think you posted about Swarland while I was trying to post this!
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