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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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I am looking for a young man that had his parents die
and was living with his grandparents in 1872 he was age
7 he had his grandparents die 1876 me may have had
to go to a workforce or something and therefore possibly
have a Poor Relief Record ...He was born in Bedford
and lived there all his young years but lost him after grams
deaths...Born in 1864 William Arthur Collett
could some one tell me if there was a Orphan work house
or where PR's are...Crookedtail
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie..  ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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smunn02
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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If this is him:
Name: William Collett
Year of Registration: 1865
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bedford
County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 310
(there's also one:
Name: William Arthur Collett
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Bedford
County: Bedfordshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 358
Poor Relief records were kept in the Parish Chest in the local parish church, and it was the Warden's duty to keep them up to date. Apparently most have now been placed in local records offices - it might be worth travelling to Bedford and having a nose around the records office =)
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Hi,
And thank you for you info...
yes that is the one i am looking for in the PR's
I live in the USA so I can't have a look what can i do from
here...
If there someone that could check it out that lives there
HELP
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie.. ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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smunn02
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I was actually in Bedford library yesterday looking up my own stuff, I took a look for your dude but was unable to find a thing. I asked about poor relief records, and according to the librarian it would be pretty near impossible to find - even if you found the right parish, and the right year, then the child would more than likely be listed only by christian name or apparently might be given the surname of the place they were given a free apprenticeship (or take the masters) ... this is where the librarians own name came from when a over a number of years a barrel maker sent food for, and finally took in + apprenticed her great grandfather or great great grandfather...he was given the surname Cooper because of it.
All very interesting stuff but I'm afraid it doesn't help you very much. Sorry!
I'm going back at some point next week, if there's any other info that could help you?
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Hi again,
I so appreciate the help your giving me...I also on this site
posted a lookup in Bedford...gave more information on
William Arthur there..might talke a look....I don't know how
to cut and paste so it will jsut tell you where...
as you come into England and scroll down to Bedfordshire
and open in there yu will see my post Help Poor Record
Search...title...Thanks...if you can't find it let me know and
i will tell you more info that may help...Crookedtail.
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie.. ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Its under the LOOKUP REQUEST IN BEDFORD AT THE TOP
OF PAGE THEN OPEN THAT LINK AND THE SEE MINE
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie.. ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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bedfordshire boy
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Have you checked the LDS catalogue at www.familysearch.org to see if the parish chest entries for the various Bedford parishes have been filmed. If so you can order and view them at your nearest LDS Family History Centre, of which there are many in the US.
If he was put in the Union House (workhouse) there may be admission records. These would probably be held by Bedford Records Office - see http://www.rootschat.com/links/06d5/
They operate a research service for which there would be a charge
Link shrunk - Rick
However if he was still living with his step grandfather until 1879 when he was 15 it's quite possible that he was independent and didn't need to go into the workhouse
How sure are you that Mr Paterson was his father? Almost a year from his birth to his mother's marriage suggests that he may not have been.
David
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« Last Edit: Friday 07 August 09 14:37 UTC (UK) by Rick »
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Hi,
Thanks for the information....
yur question how sure...well Robert lived in Bedford threw
the year 1863 -1865 William was born March 1864 and they were married Jan 31,1865 so a 90% but keeping a open mind ...i have just sent for his birth..and his brother had him listed on his poor relief in Scotland...If you check out my other post the one on Bedford Lookups at the top of the page and open it you will see my post listed as Help search Poor Relief Rocords...as mention above...that will explain alot...
Thanks Crookedtail...any help is sure welcome and thanks...
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie.. ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Bedfordboy,
No the 1871 Census is the only one i have found with him
listed...It is really is hard due to his date of birth coming
in between census's and not knowing his name of either
Collett or Paterson...I hope birth cert will answer some of
the questions...I have his brother 13 in 1880 going to
Quarrie in Canada and i have found his marriage and move
to New York,USA clear to 1930 so far...I hope that William
and him were able to know each other...they did till the
Colletts died and their Uncle David Paterson went to USA in 1881 as he use to see both boys when they were little....no
other contact that i know of ...Crookedtail
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Paterson ...Lanarkshire,Old Monkland/Ayrshire Penman..Lanarkshire,Fife Brown ..Old Monkland,Dennistown/Townhead Moir...Dennistown Beattie.. ? Wood...Renfrewshire Merrilees...Dennistown/Ayrshire Davies...Wales Richards..Wales Howell..Wales |
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janan
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Hi
Just posting link to your other thread which gives more info
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,397143.0.html
Jan 
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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bedfordshire boy
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Notwithstanding what the Scottish records show, in 1872 William Arthur Collett couldn't have been lodging with his grandfather Walter Collett, who had died in 1857, a few years before William was born. Frances Collett married William Willsher on 26 Dec 1858 at Bedford St John.
When did Rose Paterson die?
David
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBeds: Cople: Luke/Spencer Everton: Hale Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey Potton: Merrill Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt Hunts: Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn Cambs: Bourn: Bowd Eltisley: Medlock Graveley: Ford/Revell |
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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HI,
HE WAS WITH HIS STEPGRANDFATHER AND HIS BIRTH
GRANDMOTHER..AND IS LISTED AS GRANDSON...on the 1871 Census
YES IT WAS THE WILSHER FAMILY...
He was living with them in the 1871 census...
His mother died in Scotland in ....
Rose Finden Collett
April 11,1867
Glasgow,Scotland
Father: Robert Paterson
Died:Nov 16,1869
Scotland,Glasgow
Married: Jan 22,1865
Bedford,England
So they weren't married when William was born...
The PR records said William Arthur was living with grandparents in England.....
I knew who grandparents were and all their history
so i was able to find him with his stepgrandfather and his
real grandmother with no problem...
the problem is after 1878 when grandmother died and 1879
when his stepgrandfather died....he would have been about
15 years old and no family left and orphaned again...
hope my new explaination is better ...thanks for you
question and help...Crookedtail
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crookedtail
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Grandmother Mary Brown
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Hi,
I just recieved the Birth Certificate on William Arthur Collett
and his mother is Rose but no father listed...
Born March 1,1864
Bedford,Bedford,England
Could someone help ...Crookedtail
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janan
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Given that William was left behind when Rose went to Scotland it seems to me unlikely that his father was Robert Paterson - which doesn't help you much 
Jan
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ALL CENSUS DATA INCLUDED IN POSTINGS IS CROWN COPYRIGHT, FROM www.nationalarchives.gov.ukbedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell buckinghamshire- pain cambridgeshire- bird, carver hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey derbyshire- allsop, noon devon - griffin, love, rapsey dorset- rendall, gale somerset- rendall, churchill surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge |
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bedfordshire boy
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No surprises on the birth certificate. If his father had been named he would have shown under another name in the index as well as Collett.
I agree with Jan. Rose didn't marry Robert Paterson until 22 Jan 1865, which is a long time after the birth for Robert to be doing the honourable thing.
Interesting that in 1861 Rose appears to have been a servant in Dunstable in a house including three travelling Scottish drapers
What is surprising is that he doesn't seem to show in England in any census or bmd record after 1871. Might he have emigrated? It seems unlikely that he would have joined his (half?) brother who he may have never met
David
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