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Morton and Pontifex - Completed
« on: Thursday 30 July 09 07:21 UTC (UK) »

Good morning Rootchatters.
I am seeking information on an Edna Maud Rebecca Morton, maiden name Pontifax or Pontifex. Who lived in Dundas-Out, Ontario, in the 1930s. She was an English nurse and during the first world war worked on an officer's ward at the Bristol Royal Infirmary in England. She moved to Dundas-Out around 1932/33 after marrying into the Morton family. I have an address of 8 Brock Street, Dundas-Out, Ontario for her.   And can anyone explain what the 'Out' represents in the place-name?
More information can be found in the thread "Pontifax of Bristol" on the England; Gloucestershire board on Rootschat.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392696.0.html

Many thanks

Kincaid
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 July 09 13:26 UTC (UK) »


And can anyone explain what the 'Out' represents in the place-name?


Is this from something handwritten? Never heard of "out" with Dundas, the short form for Ontario was Ont. until about the late 1980's when they changed the short form for the provinces to 2 letters, Ontario's becoming ON

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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 July 09 13:33 UTC (UK) »

If you go to the Ontario Cemetery Finding Aid, you will find Edna M.R. Morton (Pontifex) is buried at the Grove Cemetery in the County of Wentworth.

http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php

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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 July 09 17:14 UTC (UK) »

Good afternoon Karen
Thank you for such a prompt reply - It was handwritten and now it seems so obvious that the letters are really Ont - I am quite excited about your post in respect of the cemetery - I have been researching Edna quite a lot in recent weeks and it is almost as if, strangely, your research subjects come to life, and it comes as a slight shock to be brought back to reality and the realisation that (which of course you always knew) they are dead.

I will visit the cemetary link you post, Karen, and see how it pans out - I might be able to get someone to send a photo of her grave - I had posted a message in 'Home Town Forums (Canada)' a couple of weeks ago but I don't think anyone has even looked at it yet.

it is my intention to eventually return the album to the family via the most direct descendants I can find - it contains the names of many servicemen who were war-injured patients on her ward, some of them Australian and I think from memory, Canadian.   I want to do some research into those names also, but eventually I will ensure the album will find a home in its most appropriate place - I have just finished sending pictures of some of the pages of the album to a Rootschatter in Australia.

Kind Regards,

Kincaid (Bill)

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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 July 09 17:30 UTC (UK) »

Hi Karen,
Just visited the site - Do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions? (I will do some work too) namely is the township of Flamborough near Dundas?   I am going to have to get an Atlas out - I don't even have any idea how large Ontario is - I know Canada is HUGE!

I will try and find it on the Home Town Forums site and post something there, tho as I said earlier, it does not seem  a very active site.

Interestingly, when I did a cemetery search under Norton I did not get her, but she came up under Pontifex - is this indicative a a divorce at some time - or is Canadian custom somewhat like the Scottish one (I am a Scot) where the woman never loses her maiden name and is often buried under that name?

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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 July 09 17:53 UTC (UK) »

Hi again Karen,
Have just visited Flamborough via Google maps/Satellite, and read up on the town on another site (most heavily taxed town in Ontario - wow!).

I noted one of the main roads is Dundas Rd so I guess that answers one of my queries.   Absolutely fascinating seeing it.

I will be offline for a few hours (dinner then entertaining).

Thanks again for your help

Kincaid (Bill)
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 30 July 09 17:56 UTC (UK) »

Edna Pontifex left Liverpool June 24, 1932 and arrived Quebec, Canada July 1, 1932 on board the duchess of Bedford.  She was 50, born British Guiana Demerara(SP).  She had been in Canada in 1930 visiting in Hamilton, Ont. and her destination in 1932 was her fiance Mr. James Morton Box 362 Dundas, Ont.  Her nearest contact in England was her sister Beatrice Pontifex of 22 Cairns Rd. Westbury Park, Britsol.

There is a James Morton buried in the same cemetery as Edna.

Debbie

I should have read your attached thread as I see you already have this information.
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 30 July 09 22:40 UTC (UK) »

Do you mind if I ask you a couple of questions? (I will do some work too) namely is the township of Flamborough near Dundas?   I am going to have to get an Atlas out - I don't even have any idea how large Ontario is - I know Canada is HUGE!

Flamborough and Dundas are both now part of Hamilton, Ontario.

To give you an idea of the size of Ontario: Manitoba borders Ontario to the west and Quebec to the east. Kenora, Ontario is about an hour drive from the Manitoba border and Canada's capital, Ottawa, is located across the river from Quebec. According to Google maps it would take about 24 hours to drive from Kenora to Ottawa. By comparison Google Maps indicates that it is less than a 7 hour drive from London to Glasgow.

Another indication to the size of our country, if you were to take a train from Vancouver, British Columbia to Halifax, Nova Scotia, the trip (with stop overs) would take almost 5 days.

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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #8 on: Friday 31 July 09 07:25 UTC (UK) »

Good morning Jacquie and Debbie, and thanks for the posts - I did not know where Edna had been born Debbie, and had spent some fruitless hours trying to find her birth in UK although I eventually came to the conclusion that it was somewhere else.  And I had started to wonder about her husband, where he was buried, for example.   Strange they are not in the same grave, as they would be in UK, and certainly Scotland - I got the grave records from Greenock cemetery in Scotland for my great grandfather's grave, which as far as I knew had three people interred, to find to my amazement, eleven relatives!   

The size of your country, Jacquie, is simply staggering, and all you Canadians must be so proud of it.  I hope you are successful in fighting off claims for the extreme northern passages.  I have recently been researching (I must try it on Rootschat) Captain Francis Rawdon Moira Crozier and his search with Sir John Franklin for the North West Passage, mainly because I was told from a small child that Capt Crozier was one of my great great grandfathers - My grandmother on fathers side is a Crozier from Lurgan, Northern Ireland - A total myth I believe and I was very disappointed when I discovered that Capt Crozier had died unmarried.

I have to report one exciting discovery - A Rootschatter, Sharon (Shakel) from Australia, asked me to send her some pictures of the pages in Edna's album, which I did, one of them being a neat drawing of the Australian Defence Force's cap badge.  The drawing was signed with the soldier's name - In no time at all Sharon had found  his complete army record which she kindly sent me!  Hopefully she will be able to find his living relatives and furnish them with a picture of his artwork, completed whilst he was a patient in Bristol Royal Infirmary during the first world war!   The mind boggles, as they say.   Something done for his nurse in her scrapbook emerges over 90 years later and is transmitted to descendants via a medium that would have been pure science fiction in 1916 - I guess it's a kind of immortality.

I am going to transcribe all the names in the album, hopefully today, to see if the exercise can be repeated - hopefully there will be a Canadian or three in there.

Kind regards

Speak soon - Kincaid
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #9 on: Friday 31 July 09 14:49 UTC (UK) »


 Strange they are not in the same grave, as they would be in UK, and certainly Scotland - I got the grave records from Greenock cemetery in Scotland for my great grandfather's grave, which as far as I knew had three people interred, to find to my amazement, eleven relatives!   


Hi Bill,

How did you come to that conclusion?  Both James and Edna are buried in Grove Cemetery, so chances of them being in the same plot are high I would say.

Even though Dundas and Flamborough are now part of Hamilton, they are still referred to as the same.  Like alot of big towns, they keep annexing more land from the little towns  Angry  We've just had a few thousand hectares taken from our town  Cry

With the size of Ontario alone, I believe you can fit the whole of England into it about 6 times.

As for the battle for the northern passages, well it's a shame it all comes down to oil, but on the news recently Canada and the USA have agreed to scientificaly work together for now.

Did you want to find out more information on James Morton? 

Karen
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #10 on: Friday 31 July 09 16:44 UTC (UK) »

Hi Karen,
I certainly would like to find out more of Mr Norton - I have been transcribing names from the album most of the afternoon (instead of doing my domestic chores) and already the Australian soldier's name that I sent to Shakel in Australia has producing some good, but sad, stuff. As well as a wee mystery - ie., who was the mystery woman on the fishing boat - the link is below

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,395894.0.html

Speak soon

Kincaid (Bill)
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Re: Morton and Pontifex Dundas, Ontario
« Reply #11 on: Monday 03 August 09 07:20 UTC (UK) »

Good morning everyone,

This is just a quick post to say I have not gone away, just been busy with others things - I am still sure there is more to discover in Canada especially on the Morton side.

Will be back very soon

Best regards

Kincaid
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