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James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« on: Thursday 30 July 09 12:52 UTC (UK) »
My great-great-great-great grandfather was James HYETT born c1773 in Huntley, Gloucestershire. Thanks to Pinetree who found that James was a Sergeant in the 2nd Dragoon Guards, I was able to obtain the information on his military records from the 1st The Queen’s Dragoon Guards website.

Not to repeat myself too much the link to the relevant Yorkshire thread is below:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392590.0.html

The link below is to the relevant Gloucestershire thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,384170.0.html

I have several general queries and I'm hoping that someone from this armed forces topic area will be able to answer them.

James Hyett enlisted as a Private in 1793. On the muster roll he was first sent with the Queens Bays to Flanders which I understand is the Flanders Campaign where they fought against the French revolutionary forces.

After this the Queens Bays on James' records and on the QDG website seem to show no more fighting actions. The next report of battle by QDG is Waterloo. From 1807 there was the Peninsular War but the Queens Bays were not included in the fight against Napoleon. Does anyone know the reason for this?

My great-great-great grandfather Robert Hyett was born in Fulford, York in 1812 and on the QDG website it states that the Queens Bays were "aiding Civil authorities in the preservation of property against the violence of the Luddites." That now gives me an image from scenes of 'Sharpe's Justice' and I get the impression they were acting as local militia. Was this the case?

Prior to this James and the Queens Bays were stationed in Ireland from Mar 1803 to quell the rebellion and riots led by Robert Emmet. The Queens Bays were in Ireland for nearly three years.

In 1811 James was transferred to the '11th Veterans' until he was discharged in 1814 on disbandment of the 11th Veterans. Is this a reference to the Troops number? On the QDG website 25th July 1814 the establishment of the regiment was reduced to 8 Troops. Does that bear any meaning to the disbandment of the 11th Veterans?

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Re: James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 30 July 09 13:31 UTC (UK) »
Quote from: Bosuns Call on Thursday 30 July 09 12:52 UTC (UK)
The next report of battle by QDG is Waterloo. From 1807 there was the Peninsular War but the Queens Bays were not included in the fight against Napoleon. Does anyone know the reason for this?

Troops had to be kept at home in case of invasion. When you are fighting a war overseas you do not send all the troops you have. I am sure you will find that a number of officers of the stay at home regiments transferred to regiments serving overseas. A number of other ranks may also have been transferred to make up losses. A detailed look at the musters may confirm this.

Quote from: Bosuns Call on Thursday 30 July 09 12:52 UTC (UK)
…the QDG website it states that the Queens Bays were "aiding Civil authorities in the preservation of property against the violence of the Luddites." That now gives me an image from scenes of 'Sharpe's Justice' and I get the impression they were acting as local militia. Was this the case?
 

There was no police force at this time. So regular troops like the 2nd DGs were used as required. As it was a time of war a number of part-time units were embodied as well, including two types of Militia:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=26

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=147

Quote from: Bosuns Call on Thursday 30 July 09 12:52 UTC (UK)
In 1811 James was transferred to the '11th Veterans' until he was discharged in 1814 on disbandment of the 11th Veterans. Is this a reference to the Troops number? On the QDG website 25th July 1814 the establishment of the regiment was reduced to 8 Troops. Does that bear any meaning to the disbandment of the 11th Veterans?

The 11th Veterans were a separate regiment. As he got older he was downgraded to a Veterans regiment. The disbandment of the Veterans was probably due to the capture of Paris. The reduction in the number of troops within the 2GDs was probably due to the same thing – the winning of the war against Napolean. The number of troops within cavalry units changed often during the 19th Century, depending upon the government’s view of its requirements.

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Re: James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 30 July 09 13:46 UTC (UK) »
BTW the 2nd Dragoon Guards were not at Waterloo. The 2nd DGs arrived in Belgium a month after Waterloo.

The 1st DGs were at Waterloo. They too had been kept at home, but were sent to Belgium in April 1815.

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Re: James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 30 July 09 14:35 UTC (UK) »
Hi Ken,

Thank you very much for the information and links.

My mistake on the Waterloo front, I got confused between the 1st and 2nd. If only this were a Naval matter I might have a better understanding of the subject.

James Hyett was transferred to the 11th Veterans while in York. I've tried g**gle and other search engines for the 11th Veterans but all I get are links for 9/11 and Armistice Day.

Thank you again for the reply.

Best wishes,

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Re: James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 30 July 09 15:24 UTC (UK) »
The 2nd DG arrived in York in August 1811.

You will get lots of hits on their officer's commissions etc on the LG site - http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/AdvancedSearch.aspx?geotype=London. Search on 11th veteran (singular).

I have also found this:

= 1807.04.25 11th Royal Veteran Battalion raised from a nucleus of five coys of 7th Royal Veteran Battalion
= 1814.08 four coys disbanded at Hythe
= 1814.11.02 three coys disbanded at Chelsea
= 1815.06 5th Royal Veteran Battalion re-formed from three remaining companies of 11th RV Battalion in Isle of Man and out-pensioners (under 55 years who had served less than 24 years in the cavalry or 21 years in the infantry, and who had been discharged as privates)
= 1816.05.24 disbanded at Deptford 

So for his time with them they had ten companies.

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Re: James HYETT c1793-1814. Sergeant 2nd Dragoon Guards (Queens Bays)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 30 July 09 18:33 UTC (UK) »
Thank you once again Ken for the information and link. The London Gazette website looks an interesting resource tool on its own merits.

Best wishes,

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