caroldawn
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I am looking for the parents of thomas millar born 1791 married Anne waddell and lived in liff & benvie & Fowlis . They had a family of three boys robert Millar John millar & charles Millar robert was well educated by his uncles & auntys He then went farming at flowerdale in perthshire and is burried at collace churchyard. His brothers lived together and ran mills in brechin, in the late 1800s
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Gadget
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There are 4 baptisms showing in Angus:
14 July 1788 to Alexandr Miller -Liff, Benvie and Invergowrie
3 July 1791 to John Miller and Isabell Webster - Dundee
10 May 1792 to Robert Millar and Elison Gleghorn - Montrose
14th Oct 1792 to Patrick Millar and Janet Aiton - Inverkeilor
As Robert was the first child, I would think the Montrose one looks the most likely but then there's the Liff one. It's tricky.
Do you have Ann Waddell's parents' names? Also, the names of the uncles and aunts?
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caroldawn
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Hi
what I have found there is a james waddell, Helen waddell, Isabella waddell,sisters of ann waddell, wife of Thomas Millar but so far have not found out any infor on thomas millar, I know Anne was 10 years older then thomas
and on their son charles christening he was a Manufaturer for Walk woolen mills fowlis
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caroldawn
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Hi
Looking on the Death report I see Anns parents were written as James waddell & elizabeth Waddell and I see the word suttie there too. She died at her son robert Millars place flowerdale in perthshire
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Gadget
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Father, Thomas, and one Grandfather,James.
Strange , that the sons were Robert, John and Charles. Are you sure that these were all the children they had?
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Gadget
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The IGI are showing the following sons:
Fowlis Easter
1817 - James
1820 - Charles
1922 -John
Do you have Robert's birth/baptism or approximate date of birth? Date of death?
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Gadget
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Thomas Millar, widower of Ann Waddel, occupation - wool merchant, died on 28 Oct 1868, Liff, aged 78
His parents - Robert Millar, wool merchant, deceased Mother's name unknown. The local undertaker was the informant.
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It would be worth your while checking the Wills/Testaments section on Scotlands People www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk There are a number of possibles listed for a Robert Miller/Millar, merchant
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Gadget
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The only will showing for a Thomas Millar is Thomas Millar (Miller), Wool Merchant, Kirkcaldy dated 9 March 1869 at Cupar Sherriff's Court. I'm doubtful that this is his but I'm also surprised that your Thomas didn't leave a will or at least an inventory.
The problem is that Thomas could have come from various places and settled in Liff. Although, the IGI batch for Liff does have a fair number of Millar/Miller listed.
IGI (extracted)
The Robert Millar that I found in Montrose m. Ellison Gleghorn on 16 July 1780, Montrose
They had the following children:
1781 - William
1783 - Lillias
1785 - Peter
1788 - Ellison
1792 - Thomas
None of these names, apart from Robert's, seem to fit your names and Montrose is some distance from Liff.
A number of burials are showing on Scotlands People for a Robert in both Dundee and Montrose 1793-1854.
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Apart from wills, monumental inscriptions (MIs) might well give family names.
The National Library shows that the MIs for Liff have been published and a copy held by the NLS:
http://www.nls.uk/family-history/gravestones/inscriptions/county.cfm?id=13
It might be worth asking for a look up in them for your Millars. Someone on Rootschat may have them.
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caroldawn
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hi
Thanks a lot for all your help . i have a Robert Millar born 1815 to thomas and ann millar as well as the john and charles 1820-1821.Wonder if he was christened James , but went by the name of Robert.1815. I have a letter written by him to his brothers and signed your dear brother Robert millar , I also have found his will & deeds and have a photo of his gravestone in the Collace churchyard I see he also had property at Liff and Muirhead that he left to his family
one of his daughters immigrated to new zealand and this is the family I belong too.
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Gadget
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From SP:
Auchterhouse, Angus - 15 Sept 1814, Robt Millar. Parents Thomas Millar and Ann Widdel.
I've also found a Margaret with Father, Thomas - 28 Jan 1816 in the Liff baptisms.
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caroldawn
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thanks to you gadget,
I have found a James Waddle married an elizabeth suttie 19 dec 1771 aberlemno.
And a robert millar1761 of Brechin ,Married an Ann scott 30 July 1786 Brechin Angus . ,his occupation was a tanner then and as thomas two sons John, and charlie ,that went to Brechin . I think he will be the right one, havent checked thoroughly yet , fingers crossed
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