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Topic: Causeway Meadow - Dodderhill (Read 1095 times)
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Gardener
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Hija! First I Googled it and found the following http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-WORCESTER/2001-07/0994703543
Don't know if that was an answer to you or if someone else is looking for the place...
Then I managed to find Causeway Meadows Farm on http://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Grid Ref: 393744,265500
So I guess that is the place you want. I've seen farms given on birth certs without actually saying "farm" and very confusing it is too! If, as the other link suggests, it was not on the 1895 map then I suppose it fell into disrepair in the years between.
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 Rose (Black Country),Downs (Black Country),Wolloxall (any and all),Bark (Derbyshire),Wright (Derbyshire),Marsden (Derbyshire), Wallace (Black Country) All census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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slloyd
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Thought you would like to know that Causeway Meadow Farm still exists today or certainly did when I passed it the other day when I was down that way taking photos for the website.
All the best
Sally
www.parishmouse.co.uk
Photographs of Worcestershire Churches and Graves.
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slloyd
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Hi, it is an old farm. I just remember seeing the name on the farm gate and saying to my Mum who was with me that one of my pals from school used to live there I thought. Anyway will probably be down that way before September so will take a look for you and see what you can see from the road etc. and if I can remember I take a photo for you and then you can see whether it is worth visiting. Mind you if you don't know the area you could get seriously lost round those lanes as road signs are not a priority! I don't think much has changed since the 19th century including the horse muck on the road 
Byetheway, I noticed in another of your posts that you are researching the name Farmer in the area of Dodderhill. I have recently photographed Dodderhill Church and a lot of the graves (still got a few more to do) and I think I can remember the name Farmer on a few ... might be wrong though as you go a little cross-eyed after a while.
All the best
Sally
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mrstucci
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I just had to reply to this as my Nash family lived at Causeway Meadows for many years!!! I have pictures of Causeway Meadows also. I live in the US but my Nash roots are in Dodderhill, Causeway Meadows! Judy
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slloyd
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Hi Stretchie
Where's my post has gone about B'ham ... I replied to your request the other day but it has vanished!! Anyway the long and the sort of it was that I don't know anything much about St Martins ... the last time I remember noticing the church was at the same time as watching the steam trains coming into Moor St station ... Must have been one of the last ones ... honest ... now I am showing my age
Now to the most important bit of news ... Causeway Meadows Farm ... I took the dogs for a walk by the canal today and took a detour home and grabbed some photos of the farm as promised. I have put them up on parishmouse for you. They are the original size photos so will take a while to load on the big pics as they are up to 4mb in size ... but I thought you may like the originals for your files. Let me know if you want them smaller ... it is no problem. The link to the photos is on the main page under "Other Links" and is called Special Requests Gallery. As a taster here (I hope!) is a sample:
BFN
Sally
www.parishmouse.co.uk
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mrstucci
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Hi Sally- second attempt at replying to this forum! Thought I clicked on Post but it disappeared- those computer fairies are tricky sometimes! Anyway, I wanted to thank you so much for posting the picture of Causeway Meadows!! I have some older pictures of it and the quality isn't all that great so I really appreciate the one you put here. My Nash family lived there for many years and my intention is to post in this forum the info I have about the home....just need to find the time.....But thanks again so very much for posting the picture! Judy
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stretchie
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FARMER'S - Birth of the Chemical Industry, Widnes
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Hi Sally & Judy,
Pictures are fantastic, thankyou.
Keep up the good work with Parishmouse Sally.
Judy, would love to see your older photo's any chance???
Stretchie.
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Farmer - Widnes, Runcorn.
Temperley - Runcorn, Frodsham.
Bell - Kingsley, Frodsham.
Bamber - Wigan, Widnes.
Stretch - Cheshire.
Vickers - Chester.
Hogg - Berwick, Chester.
Anyone with any interest in my names, please get in touch.
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mrstucci
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Sure- I will put that on my to-do list! Judy
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mrstucci
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Here is one picture that I have of Causeway Meadows. All I have is a photocopy that I got from my aunt so the quality isn't all that good. Not sure what is the front and what is the back of the house. According to my aunt, the top picture is the front per her husband but she didn't think so..... I have one other picture to send but I will do that in a separate email. Judy
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mrstucci
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I'm not sure where I got this photo from but again it's a photocopy. I realized after posting the other picture that it was too large! I am so sorry! I was a bit too anxious to get it posted....... Judy
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mrstucci
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Here is the informaton I have on Causeway Meadows. I hope it makes some sense:
This is what I know of Causeway Meadows Farm, the ancestral home of my Nash Family. Some of the information was handed down to me from my Aunt Betsie. She obtained the information from a cousin, Humphrey Nash, who has done a lot of the Nash family history. Then I happened to meet online a woman who was part of a historical group putting together a history of Dodderhill which is where Causeway Meadows is located and she did some digging around for me also.
Of interest to me was clarification of the 3000 year leasehold that the Nash family had for Causeway Meadows. Here is what I found out- ‘At the Record Office she (note: ‘she’ is Cheryl, the historian for Dodderhill) found it was an indenture of lease dated 10th December 1563 between Thomas Carewe and William Hill and there was a yearly rent payable of one penny on the feast of St. Michael (if demanded). Thomas Carewe and Richard Sparry (the local land agent) ‘demised granted and farm let to William Hill the messuage or tenement outbuildings farm lands and hereditaments referred to or known as Corsey Meadow.’
Cheryl: what this really means is: Thomas Carewe was the Lord of the Manor and in the 1560’s he ‘sold off’ all his lands and also the Lordship of the Manor of Wychbold. Because of the way land was then ‘held’ Thomas Carewe would have held it of a larger magnate than himself, either a much larger land holder, Duke or Earl, etc. who would in turn have held the land from the King/Queen. In order to pass on ‘ownership’ of the land it was done via a very long lease i.e. 1500 years or even 3000 years and then each subsequent ‘owner’ held the land for the residue of years left on that lease. However, the Property Acts of 1881 and 1882 did away with the necessity for these long leases and as the ‘one penny’ yearly rent had never been demanded, the land could be held ‘freehold’or in legal terms in ‘fee simple’. Samuel Nash would have held Causeway Meadows under the term of the original 1563 lease, but in effect it was his to do with what he wished.
Now, the William Hill mentioned in the above information I believe was the father of Elinor Hill who married my 7g grandfather, John Nash, in Hanbury in 1674. So that is how it came into the Nash family I believe. Not proven though.
From Cheryl: Apparently during the 1770’s the house was owned by the Wilson family. Cheryl says that Causeway Meadows was like a hamlet, made up of various properties which the farm and the terraced cottages formed only a part, the rest of the area being made up of several pairs of cottages as well cottages. The only buildings left now are the farmhouse, in a reduced size, an old barn which has been converted into a dwelling, a pub called “The Bowling Green’ and about 8 semi-detached houses built in the 1950’s. The Causeway Meadows farm house is set quite a long way back from the road. In front of it and to one side of it were some cottages. Apparently there were 20 or so cottages built for the salt-workers at Stoke Prior. They were in two terraces of 10 or 12 facing each other onto a courtyard which had at its centre a well where the washing and ablutions were done for all residents. From what I (Cheryl) can gather these cottages could only be described as slums. Because the houses were a severe health hazzard they were demolished in the early 1950’s and the residents moved to the newly built houses in the main body of the village of Wychbold.
So when Samuel Nash lost a bunch of money from a failed salt brine business, he and his wife, Ann Preston Nash, moved out of Causeway Meadows to Haselor House where Samuel died in 1850. He sold Causeway Meadows to his brother Thomas who died in 1876. I don’t know if another Nash ancestor got the house or not as I don’t have a wife for Thomas.
I am pretty sure I have some more pictures of Causeway Meadows but can’t put my finger on them just yet….. Hope this is of some interest to whomever happens upon this forum! Any questions, contact me and I will try to answer them. Judy
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