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Al in Vane
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Hi,
anyone going into the Gloucester Record Office?
If any spare time could you look at the will of William Hankins 1845/187, also that of Ann Hankins 1857/218, both were from Dymock.
I do not need details just looking for a mention of Oliver Grubb and/or family so that I can send for a copy. Any help would be most appreciated.
Al
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Gillg
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Al
I am just going to the Archives now, so will take a look at those wills for you.
Regards
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Al in Vane
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Superb Gillg, look forward to hearing the result. In particular which or both has mention of Oliver.
Al
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Gillg
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Al
William's will mentions his spinster sisters Mary and Ann, also Thomas Ward and Henry Denton.
Ann died intestate and Mary administered the estate. Thomas Ward also signed the Letters of Administration.
Both wills were quite short, and I'm afraid there was no mention of Oliver Grubb in either of them. 
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Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Al in Vane
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Thanks for that Gillg, very much appreciated.
Big surprise that no mention of Oliver as he was looped in at source, I will go back and have a fresh look, there were two other Hankins wills so maybe it was referring to one of those.
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Gillg
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Are the other wills the ones for Joseph and Mary Hankins of Newent in 1824 and 1834? I can look at those for you, if you wish.
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Al in Vane
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Gillg,
The bundle with the two wills in, D2079/III/21 1787 - 1871 was the one with the Grubb stuff in, you have looked at the wills in the bundle so I presume the Grubb mention must be on the copy of letters of administration of Ann Hankins of Bromesgreen and/or succession accounts of 1857 and 1859. Whether there is a mention in the other two wills I am not sure.
Oliver Grubb married Sarah Hankins at Birtsmorton on 21 February1825 and they had five children, but Sarah died in 1844 at age of 51.
Their son also named Oliver married Mary Ann Collins at Tewkesbury in 1860 and in the 1861 and 1871 census they were living at Barrows Green, Dymock as Farmers. Oliver Senior was still alive at this point.
I believe that Oliver Junior may have been left the farm by the Hankins family or somehow benefitted from them, by 1881 he, his wife and most of his children had disappeared, I believe he may have gone to America but it has always been a mystery. I thought the mention of him in the Hankins papers may give some clues.
Any help you can give regarding said papers would be most welcome Gillg.
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Gillg
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I've now looked at the wills of Joseph Hankins, Gentleman of Newent, from 1823 and his wife Mary from 1832.
Joseph left his money and estates to his wife Mary, his son Joseph and children Mary and Joseph, his youngest son Thomas and his daughters Mary, wife of Richard Lovett, and Sarah, wife of Thomas Eustace Penner. The trustees of the estate were his brother Caleb Hankins of Ledbury, his son-in-law Richard Lovett and his friend William Barton, a butcher from Newent. It looks as though he was quite a wealthy man. His will was 13 large pages long!
Mary left her money to her granddaughter Mary Deborah, daughter of her son Joseph, to her grandchildren William, Martha Mary and Marian Foley, children of her son Thomas, and to her grandchildren Mary, Joseph and Sarah, children of her daughter Sarah, also to her sister Elizabeth Marshall and her brother Thomas White.
I was rather intrigued that mention was made of Joseph senior leaving some "hearing apparel" to his son Joseph, also Mary senior also mentioned "hearing apparel" being left to her granddaughter Mary Deborah. Could this family have suffered from deafness and was the hearing apparel some kind of a trumpet, do you think?
Anyway, there has still been no mention of the Oliver Grubb you are seeking, I'm afraid, though you could draw up a nice family tree for Joseph & Mary, if they are the right family. 
Gillg
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Gillg
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I've now set up a family tree for Joseph and Mary for my own satisfaction! Looking at that, I am wondering if the Mary Martha and Marian (Ann?) are the two spinster sisters of William, whose will I first looked at.
But I'm not sure where Sarah, wife of Oliver Grubb comes into it, since they married in 1825, before Mary senior died. Could she have been the daughter of Sarah nee Hankins who married Thomas Penner? There does appear to be another Sarah born Dymock 5 Nov 1809, dau of John Hankins & Sarah (Hide), but where does John come into the family, I wonder? He and his daughter are not mentioned in the wills.
My head is spinning with all these Sarahs, but I'm sure you have a clearer picture of the family.
Gillg 
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Al in Vane
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I contacted the Record Office and they sent me the following
D2079/III/21
Mortgage, Mr Oliver Grubb to Mr William Bruton, 5th January 1871. Transfer of Mortgage, Mrs Hannah Hammond and Mr Oliver Grubb to Mr John Homes, 11th August 1870. Mortgage, Mr Oliver Grubb to Mr William Hammond, 24th June 1862. Mortgage of freehold, Mr Oliver Grubb to John Homes, 31st December 1861. Release of premises in the parish of Dymock, Mr Nathaniel James Hemmings and others to Mr Oliver Grubb, 25th October 1859. CD/DVD containing the digital images of the above items.
Also sent the prices for digital scanning so am off to remortgage my house...NOT!!
I shall have to look at my tree afresh Gillg, perhaps this branch were a little away from mine, however the fact that Oliver Junior married a Hankins and later they went to live at a farm in Dymock suggests a link with those in the wills. The mortgages suggest Oliver Junior, not Senior, as he was married in 1860 and lived in Dymock until sometimes in the 1870s when he disappeared. Possibly seeing the two names together in the bundle suggested a link that wasn't there but that was the reason why I asked for the lookup.
If I could ask if you could have a look at those papers when next in the RO Gillg perhaps they may give a clue to the name of the farm, I know I should not be asking as you have already done so much for me the which is much appreciated so many thanks.
Al
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Gillg
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I'll do my best, Al, but won't be in the RO for a week or two now.
Gillg
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Al in Vane
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Thank you Gillg, your efforts are very much appreciated by several of us here. Please do not go out of your way, only look if you have to go in there.
Al
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Gillg
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I was given the rather large bundle you referred to and spent a long time looking through indentures and mortgages on sheets of parchment as big as a table top! I soon realised why the charge for the CD of these would have been rather costly. Just as I was giving up hope of ever working out the relationship between Oliver Grubb and the Hankins family I found a little blue sheet which turned out to be a form for the Inland Revenue from 1859, possibly what you called the succession accounts. In it were details of how Oliver came to inherit the land, farm and tenement from Mary Hankins. Oliver gave his date of birth as 4 Nov 1827 and stated that he was "a descendant of a sister of the mother of Mary Hankins". A will then appeared for Mary Hankins dated 28 Mar 1859, which clearly stated that Oliver Grubb was her second cousin, to whom she left the estate, provided that he carried out her instructions with other gifts.
More follows, incase I am timed out......
Gill
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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Gillg
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The bequests in Mary's will were as follows:
To her second cousins Nathaniel James Hemmings and his sister Catherine Maria Hemmings spinster £150 each
To Ann Preece, Elizabeth Grubb, Sarah Brewer & Susannah Grubb, sisters of Oliver Grubb, £50 each
To her friend Thomas Ward £50
Other info:
Mary Chambers of Hatfield had daughters Ann, wife of William Hankins and Mary, wife of William Hemmings.
Joseph Hankins had brother William and George and was married to Amy.
The farm consisted of 31 acres of arable land, orchards, the farmhouse and some tenements called Whites, which were rented out. It was named as Brooms Green by Dymock, but whether that was the name of the farm or of the village isn't clear.
Does any of this help? I do hope so. The mortgage indentures followed the various owners of the farm and went back to the 1700s. One would really need a couple of days to study them.
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Gill
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Arranroots
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Gosh Gill - real research, that sounds like fun!
I can't help with the main query, but would suggest that "hearing apparel" should be "wearing apparel", i.e. clothes.
Second thoughts - I like your suggestion better!
Kind regards, Arranroots
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Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SOM: BIRD, BURT aka BROWN HEF: BAUGH, LATHAM, CARTER, PRITCHARD GLS: WEBB, WORKMAN, LATHAM, MALPUS WIL: WEBB, SALTER RAD: PRITCHARD, WILLIAMS GLA: RYAN, KEARNEY, JONES, HARRY MON: WEBB, MORGAN, WILLIAMS, JONES, BIRD SCOTLAND: HASTINGS, CAMERON, KELSO, BUCHANAN, BETHUNE/ BEATON IRELAND: RYAN (WATERFORD), KEARNEY (DUBLIN), BOYLE(DUNDALK) |
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