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Topic: Lloyd London Mystery (Read 2836 times)
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fallingonabruise
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I got the birth cert for my great grandad, Grenville Fairclough Lloyd, b 1852,
and thought his fathers occp. was gen/labourer,
but now , having looked at it properly I realize it says Gentleman.
This father, John Ballard Lloyd, does not appear on any of censuses with his family, and the only reference i can find is a baptism in 1807 with his father being Benjamin Lloyd in Worcester.(if this is him)
Anyway this 'gentleman' has added to the mystery because Lavinia Ann (nee Cheatham) , his wife is classed as an annuitant in the 1851 census.
I have just been checking out her address at this time,28 Trafalgar square , mile end old town ,London,
and all the neighours seem quite well off, lots of them with a couple of servants.
I can't find any marriage for them either.
one of his other sons had Ballard in his name too
another son who was a travelling herbalist , went to America selling miracle cures 'Lloyds Pink Pills'
so,
who was John Ballard Lloyd and where was he and where was the money coming from?,
are the 'Ballard ' and 'Fairclough' names important.
any ideas?
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fallingonabruise
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Brilliant Shaun thank you ! 
yes Frederick is his son,
In that link one of Johns addresses is 8 Leslie st, which is where Grenville was born.
How would I be able to see the newspaper items?
I wonder what it meant by distressing case and why he was given donations?
and why was he throwing oranges ?!!!
ooo this is so exciting !!!
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MonicaLesl
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You sure do have interesting ancestors  If I was producer on WDYTYA and could waive the 'celeb' requirement, I'd have you on there like a shot
In respect of John Ballard Lloyd, someone posted previously this entry as a potential christening for him:
JOHN BALLARD LLOYD Christening: 22 DEC 1807 St Clement, Worcester, Worcester (father Benjamin and mother Elizabeth)
You have from Shaun the links for early 1850s with him by now showing as a travelling salesman. I found this entry in 1851, which apart from him showing as unmarried fits perfectly:
John Loyed, lodger, 42, commercial traveller b. Worcester, St Clement. He is living at 20 Ernest Street, Mile End Old Town Lower (Class: HO107; Piece: 1553; Folio: 767; Page: 29)
Monica 
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fallingonabruise
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just a thought with the 2 baptism records,
I wonder if the 1807 one died and they had a second john ballard lloyd in 1819? because both records have the same parents,
johns wife was born 1822 so the 1819 one seems a better fit 
I'm just making pizzas at the minute but will write up a bit out of thosee newspaper cuttings when I've done,
sounds like poor John was robbed of a lot af money (£1.200, how much would that be worth nowdays ?)
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MonicaLesl
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Don't let the pizzas burn as I usually do 
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MonicaLesl
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This looks to be 'Godfather Commissioner Evans' I think, from the refs I have seen in respect of his first name, in 1851: Class: HO107; Piece: 1700; Folio: 517 Other than something on a christening entry, not sure how this can be verified.
Monica
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fallingonabruise
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where do i put those ref numbers Monica ??
I've just spent ages typing out this report so you better read it !!!
its the 1848 one
A valuable reversionary Interest- Distressing Case
JB lloyd was charged on thursday with sending threatening letters and menaces trying to obtain from a Mr Fox the sum of £20 .
Mr Lloyd read a statement in defense of his conduct.At the decease of his mother he was to be entitled to the reversionary interest of £1,200 of which he had been plundered by a forgery. Falling into difficulties and requiring money he applied to his guardian and it was with the utmost astonishment he was told by that person that it had been disposed of to a Mr Collins.
He called upon Mr Fox and having seen the deed at once declared his signature to be a forgery.
However an offer was made of £100 if he would sign a 2nd document confirming the first, which at last he consented to do as he could not bear to see his wife and children starving.
He was paid in bills but a part of them had not been taken up and he was now in the utmost distress.
Mr Fox need not fear the slightest violence at his hands, as he had no intention of injuring anyone.
all he was most anxious to do was to either obtain any kind of a situation or get a little money that he might set up in some small business, and thus be enabled to preserve his family from starvation.
Alderman Johnson said that the document produced, being legal ones, they could take no notice of them,
but it was thier duty to see that peace was preserved, and therefore he must find good bail for his future behaviour.
Mr Lloyd;I cannot find bail;but I pledge you my word of honour that I will not injure a mortal man breathing,
Alderman Johnson:I will do this, I will take your word as you have pledged it and hope that your feelings, which , for a personof your education, must be most acute, will be softened down in a few days and produce a calmer state of mind.
In the meantime, the warrent will be suspended for one month.
Alderman Johnson added, that if he could be of any service to Mr Lloyd in any way he would be glad,
Mr Lloyd said if he could even get a porters situation of 14s or 15s per week he should feel proud and happy to take it, and he would do his duty with the utmost diligence-
Alderman Johnson said , that not being in business he could not give him one of any kind; if he had been , Mr Lloyd should be at once have it. However, if he could be of service to him in the shape of doing anything for the benefit of himself and family, he (Ald.J) would do all in his power to forward his views.
It was stated that the prisoner and his family were living in a back room, with scarcely any furniture; but the wife and children, and in fact everything were as neat and clean as possible.
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jorose
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The one b. 1807 St. Clements Worcester does seem to have lived; he is in the St. John Hill workhouse in 1871 (Wandsworth and Clapham Union, located in Battersea. Aged 63, a baker, married.
(There is a John Lloyd, no middle name, d. 1877 aged 70 in Wandsworth district on freebmd)
Back to the Josiah Wilson link:
In 1859 a Louisa, second daughter of the late James Collins, died at the house of her brother in law, Josiah Wilson, of Stamford Hill.
Sure enough, there is also a marriage in 1802 for Benjamin Lloyd and Elizabeth Collins at St. Michael, Worcester.
Also look at The Times, Saturday, Nov 11, 1837; pg. 4; Issue 16571;
Collins (Charles Frederick Collins, youngest son of James) v. Wilson (presumably Josiah?)
There seems to have been some wrangling over this will from the beginning.
The details can be found in the Law Report of 1838 at http://books.google.com
The seven children were: James, Henry, Mary Anne, Louisa, Eliza, Amelia, and Charles Frederick; but Eliza is listed in 1831 as "Eliza Collins" while Amelia is listed under her married name, so I'm not convinced she's the same as the Elizabeth who married in 1802 (or indeed that the 1802 marriage is the right oe).
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fallingonabruise
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jorose, sorry I haven't read your post yet, I just want to past this news report i've spent another age typing ,
Outrage on the Commissioner-
Between 12 and 1 o'clock a great sensation was created in the court, in consequence of an extraordinary outrage by a respectably dressed man, who went into the court, and almost imediatley uttered some words in an incoherent manner, and did instantly threw 2 oranges at his honour,but fortunatly, did not do any injury.
The man was at once secured and taken before Alderman Copeland at Guildhall, charged with assulting MrCommissioner Evans.
Mr Robert Johnson deposed that he was usher to the commissioner, and that about half past twelve he saw the prisoner (John Ballard Lloyd) in the body of the court, and saw him throw 2 oranges at the commissioner.
Prisoner had frequently written threatning letters to the commissioner attempting to extort money.
The messenger of the court corroborated the statement of Mr Johnson.
Mr Commissioner Evans said the oranges fell by his side. He could not say wether they touched him or no.He was godfather to the prisoner, and had known his parents well. The prisoner then produced a written statement, which he began to read, but as it contained a string of libellious expressions upon the commissioners character, his worship refused to hear it.
Alderman Copeland said he found , upon referring to the record, that it was not the first time the prisoner had beenbrought up for an assult of the same description.
He called upon him to find 2 sureties of £100 each, and himself £200, to keep the peace for 12 months.
Prisoner; You may as well ask the stones in the road to find bail, as ask me attempt to get it; but (pointing to Commissioner Evans) let the blood of my children rest upon that mans head .
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