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fallingonabruise
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more mystery !!!
Pallots marriage index,
Nightingale Eliza Vaughan .s
= John Ballard Lloyd .b
Cheam 1829
what 
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winston
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HI
This is just to point out to be cautious of too many news entries relating to Law, Solicitors and Magistrates of entries where teh letter J B Lloyd are in the same text.
Reason is that I did a gazette search for JB Lloyd as you all have and have then done a search for the address that shows agains the solicitor address that being 54 Castle Street Liverpool and found an entry to show that a John Buck Lloyd bn 1807 Coventry was in fact dealing form that address as was a Phillip F Garnett bn 1823 Toxteth
Just felt compelled to post that info...
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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fallingonabruise
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I checked out the John Buck Lloyd in liverpool the other day, he was the Mayor.
Everything we have found always has JBL's Full name, He must have been proud of the Ballard bit thankfully, as otherwise I'd still be working through millions of John Lloyds
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MonicaLesl
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I wonder if Eliza was illegitimate? From IGI:
ELIZA VAUGHAN NIGHTINGALE Birth: 26 MAR 1810/ Christening: 20 JUL 1823 St Giles Cripplegate, London
Parents: HANNAH NIGHTINGALE
If she used Vaughan as her middlename (like JBL used Ballard in his reporting), may explain why the children of JBL and Eliza showed in their christenings on IGI with mother's name as Eliza Vaughan (which I read as surname but actually could well have been her middle name).
Monica
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fallingonabruise
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at least she seemed to be in contact with her father
can't find any sign of George marrying Hannah,
so, who was JBL's mother and stepfather ? Nelson Square sounds a posh address,
and how to find out about his time on board Castle Huntly ?
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MonicaLesl
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Pity we can't find one for these for the time of JBL's time on the Castle Huntly - includes a drawing of the ship http://tiny123.com/1wy
Monica
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fallingonabruise
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The one b. 1807 St. Clements Worcester does seem to have lived; he is in the St. John Hill workhouse in 1871 (Wandsworth and Clapham Union, located in Battersea. Aged 63, a baker, married. (There is a John Lloyd, no middle name, d. 1877 aged 70 in Wandsworth district on freebmd) Back to the Josiah Wilson link: In 1859 a Louisa, second daughter of the late James Collins, died at the house of her brother in law, Josiah Wilson, of Stamford Hill. Sure enough, there is also a marriage in 1802 for Benjamin Lloyd and Elizabeth Collins at St. Michael, Worcester. Also look at The Times, Saturday, Nov 11, 1837; pg. 4; Issue 16571; Collins (Charles Frederick Collins, youngest son of James) v. Wilson (presumably Josiah?) There seems to have been some wrangling over this will from the beginning. The details can be found in the Law Report of 1838 at http://books.google.comThe seven children were: James, Henry, Mary Anne, Louisa, Eliza, Amelia, and Charles Frederick; but Eliza is listed in 1831 as "Eliza Collins" while Amelia is listed under her married name, so I'm not convinced she's the same as the Elizabeth who married in 1802 (or indeed that the 1802 marriage is the right oe).
At last ! I have worked out what this was all about ! Sorry jorose !
We didn't see the first half of the report in The Times !
I will have to type it out later !
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winston
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not sure what it is you cant find in google books but if it is info regarding the will of James Collins snr then here's what I did to find it
advanced search enter in the top search box the words Josiah Wilson Stamford Hill
The law Report should be the first one that shows
Wendy
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Any census information included in this post is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukBlakeley in Batley West Yorks Turner in Hanging Heaton West Yorkshire Dann last known area Soothill West Yorks Hirst in Hanging heaton W Yorks Moss in Morley and Leeds Parker in Morley W Yorks Parker in Hull E Yorks Tilburns in Morley W Yorks |
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fallingonabruise
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Thanks Wendy,
theres quite a few refrences to Josiah wilson, marring Amelia, having a daughter Fanny Amelia and a son.
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fallingonabruise
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John Ballard Lloyd a native of Liverpool. In 1823 he was appointed a midshipman aboard the East India trade ship Castle Huntly, Captain Drummond, and entered on board of that vessel on January 17, 1824, and, having completed one voyage, he finally left that service on the 26 April 1825. Some time after he left the East India Company’s service, he went to reside with his mother and his stepfather, who then lived in Nelson Square; he afterwards resided some time with his uncle, a Mr Lloyd of Norwood; we afterwards find him residing near Whitechapel with a Mr Lloyd, perhaps the same uncle; we then find him a lodger at the Red or Golden Lion, Camberwell, as a private gentleman, and soon after we find him residing at Mitcham as a private gentleman; there in the year 1826 he got acquainted with Miss Eliza Vaughan, the only child of Mr George Vaughan, carrying a business as a baker and general shop keeper; he decoyed the daughter , then about sixteen years of age, from a stage coach, and after living with her about eight or nine months, was, about April, 1827, married to her at Cheme Church; some time after Mr Vaughan took a business in Battersea and after instructing Lloyd in the business at Mitcham he gave it up to Mr and Mrs Lloyd and went to reside in Battersea. In the year 1830, only about nine or ten months after he was put into the business at Mitcham, Lloyd failed , and went to live in Battersea with Mr Vaughan where he continued , as he states in his evidence, nearly five years: about June, 1833, his name was substituted on the shop at Battersea for the name of Vaughan, which till then had been on the shop; Lloyd then carried on the business at Battersea until October, 1835, when he gave up that business, and as he states in his evidence, took to the railroads, and went to live at County Terrace, New Kent Road, where he resided when he got into the employment of Richardson , to take assents and dissents of the proprietors on this line of railway. About the middle of April he says he went to live in Ligonier Street, a .....The next page (31) seems to have moved on from this section. Not sure if the page order is out on the images and didn't have time to go through the other 53 pages! I did asearch by key words so not sure. What does this word mean "he decoyed the daughter" other than the plain obvious. Except it was from a stagecoach.... Monica  Added: de·coyed, de·coy·ing, de·coys: To lure or entrap by or as if by a decoy. Lordy, he kidnapped her!
the next bit is ....
street the situation of which I have not been able to find,where he states he resided when
he went in the police force, which he did on the 16th April, where he continued only until
the 26th May,(bring a period of only 40 days),
when he quitted without notice; soon after he was engagedin setting up 'The single horse
safety carriage company', where he continued some time,but afterwards left that
establishment, and then went to live at 21 Wellington Terrace, near Waterloo Bridg, until
about september, when he , in company with another person, opened an office at no 42 Maiden
Lane, Covent Garden,as house agents, accountants and collectors of rent,and hiring servants;
there they paid one quarters rent,and,on the week preceding Lady-day last,sold off the goods and fixtures, and finally disapeared on the 19th March 1837.
After they were gone several persons called in Maiden lane expecting,as they said to recieve money, some of them having paid money to Lloyd under his promises of procuring situations. One young man says he had agreed to pay him (lloyd) 200l to procure him the situation of secretary to a cab company, which Lloyd pretended to be getting up in opposition to that which he had before estabished and the candidate for office states he actually paid him 50l in part of that suma little before he disapeared.
So much for the respectability of this useful witness.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Andria
Did I miss all this  ?
Monica
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fallingonabruise
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the husband bought me it as an early birthday present , I tried sending you a copy but my email won't do it, I'll get him to try later.
I wonder why he joined the police 
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MonicaLesl
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I did laugh when I saw we can add 'police constable' to his ever growing list of occupations
Considerate and thought OH to feed your obsession with your early present for your birthday *happy returns* in case I miss it!
Monica
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