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Topic: Lloyd London Mystery (Read 2834 times)
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fallingonabruise
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sorry jorose, you have lost me now 
and the link just shows a page of books?
is it something to do with monicas ref numbers because I have no idea how to look them up 
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MonicaLesl
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The reference numbers for looking up entries on the censuses, regarding the one I posted for 1851:
HO107; Piece: 1700; Folio: 517; Page: 16
If you go to the general search screen for the 1851 census. Below the section for 'Family Members', there is a section headed up 'Census'. Below that are some boxes:
HO107 [refers to 1851 census] Piece [input 1700] Folio [input 517] Page [input 16]
This will take you to the entry for a Joshua Evans, 69, b. Dublin Ireland - Commissioner of Bankruptcy
Monica 
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MonicaLesl
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The thing that sticks at the back of my mind Shaun were those newspaper reports you posted with John B LLoyd as manager at the General Cabriolet Conveyance Company in 1836. Would a 17yr old hold this position? The issue is, we don't have anything as yet to help with identifying John except the two birth entries with a 12 yr gap  But then from that 1838 newspaper entry, we have John having to apply to his Guardian for release of funds - not sure of the terminology of those times. Is the term guardian like a trustee of an estate or does this imply a custodian of a younger person's interests?
The only potential entries we have found so far for John is potentially that 1851 census entry (right birth place, c. 1807 birth, likely occupation of commercial traveller - except he shows as unmarried ). Also, the 1871 census entry that Jorose found at the Poorhouse in Battersea. We need something to be able to identify him properly.
Maybe one way forward that is verifyable is to follow up on a poor relief application/admission for the John Lloyd who shows as an inmate at the Wandsworth and Clapham Union Workhouse in 1871. I know that records for admissions for here are only available at the London Metropolitan Archives. If they can be found, it would help to either confirm or eliminate the John B Lloyd b. 1807 to Benjamin and Elizabeth Collins.
Monica
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fallingonabruise
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Guildhall, 17 june 1848
Yesterday Mr Alderman Johnson begged to acknowledge through the newspapers,
the receipt of one soveriegn from 'A Lady', for the relief of John Ballard Lloyd,
son of a magistrate, who with his wife and 2 children , has been reduced to complete destitution, and a report of which appeared in our impression about a fortnight back
Guildhall 21 june 1848
Alderman Johnson begged to acknowledge a contribution of 51 (?) from Mr Penn Allen for the relief of John Ballard Lloyd,
whose distressing case was mentioned in our paper about 3 weeks ago.
He is now about to emigrate.
so he was the son of a magistrate ?
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fallingonabruise
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31 dec 1855 -Report in the Liverpool Mercury about the 'oranges ' incident, says that John was an accountant.
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MonicaLesl
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That sounds promising 
John seems to have had a number of occupations, not surprising given his circumstances. I don't know how many BMD certs you have looked at for the family. Have you seen the one for wife Lavinia's death - just curious what his children showed perhaps on marriage certs for their father.
Shaun, anything on your resources for this Benjamin Lloyd, magistrate in the Liverpool area c. 1819?
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Thanks for checking Shaun Frustrating at the moment. Lots of small pieces of the puzzle now...how to put it together though
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fallingonabruise
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That sounds promising John seems to have had a number of occupations, not surprising given his circumstances. I don't know how many BMD certs you have looked at for the family. Have you seen the one for wife Lavinia's death - just curious what his children showed perhaps on marriage certs for their father Monica
all i have is Grenvilles birth, lack of funds at the momment so won't be allowed anymore yet 
just to go off at a slight tangent this is the history of one of John's sons Walter Henry Lloyd and his condoms...
http://www.history.inportsmouth.co.uk/events/lloyds.htm
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MonicaLesl
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Fascinating read Is this Lloyds the Chemist as we have today although I see in the article that Lloyds ceased trading in 2007...or did it get sold on?
Monica
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