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Topic: Joseph POLLARD - St Neot (Read 529 times)
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osprey
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possible in adjoining parish of Warleggan ?
Joseph bp 28/11/1830 son of William & Jane Pollard IGI batch P002202
On the 1841 census, Joseph is enumerated as aged 10 on the same page in St Neot as
William Pollard 27 ag lab
Mary 25
James 4
William 2
John 2 months
HO107/153/14 folio 34 pg 8
William married Mary Edwards 6/10/1835 IGI batch M053241 St Neot
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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suspect the William in St Neot is too young to be father of Joseph. I was thinking he may have been from the same family, but appears to have been baptised son of John & Jane.
Possibility that Joseph's father died and his mother remarried, so that he's enumerated under her new married name.
Possibility that Joseph's mother was unmarried, but married before census so again Joseph hidden under another surname.
Family may have been non-conformist so no parish baptism appears.
Are there any clues from the names of the witnesses on the marriage certificate? Is William's occupation shown?
You say you've checked online records. Have you contacted the opc to see if they have more info that hasn't been transcribed?
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/n_p/neot_st.php
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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Until civil registration started in 1837, non-conformists, apart from Jews & Quakers, had to marry in the parish church if they wanted their marriage to be legal. From civil registration, non-conformists could marry in their own church as long as the registrar was there. This lasted until 1898. So, marrying the parish church may have been the easier option or it may have been the denomination of his wife.
The Bible Christian baptisms are on the IGI, so Wesleyan is a possibility and there's a cd of the baptisms from 1834. Same supplier has produced Quaker records.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Cornwall/StNeot/#ChurchRecords
Baptism doesn't appear to be here
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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Right, I think one of the witnesses is Jonathan Toms b. c. 1824 and in 1851, he's enumerated in Treverbyn HO107/1907 folio 65 pg 19. I'll have a hunt around to see if he's linked.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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osprey
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Nothing obvious for Jonathan. He was baptised in St Enoder, son of Joseph & Jane. Jane was Williams before marriage by the looks of it.
His wife, Maria Hore, was baptised in St Austell dau of John & Ann. Haven't found their marriage as yet.
Could the other surname be Bennett? Thomas J Bennett was curate of Treverbyn in the 1851 & 1861 census entries, and he was baptised Thomas James.
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Cornwall: Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Kellett, Tebb
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krisesjoint
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Hi Sam and osprey,
There is only one Pollard listed in the Liskeard Wesleyan Circuit pre 1837 and that person was from Saltash, so I don’t think the answer lies in Wesleyan Records.
I think the Joseph baptized to William and Jane in Warleggan is probably your man. (The only thing I am really not happy with is your Joseph appears in the census to be a few years younger than this chap)
Baptisms to William and Jane in Warleggan
Jane 27 Sep 1817
Mary 2 Apr 1820
Francis 18 Aug 1822
Grace 6 Jun 1824
Jacob 25 Feb 1827
Joseph 28 Nov 1830
Now to find a marriage for a William and Jane I have to get back to Linkinhorne 1806
http://www.lynherparishes.co.uk/Linkinhorne/Linkinhorne.htm
William POLLARD = Jane HOOPER 22 Sep 1806
Baptisms in Linkinhorne to William and Jane
Elizabeth 7 Aug 1808
William 16 Sep 1810
I would also like to mention the baptism of
Catherine 18 Jan 1807 – Her parents list everywhere as William and Mary, so I believe that is what the register says – it is not just an IGI entry BUT I find no marriage for William and Mary in Linkinhorne no anything other than this baptism. You will see where I am going with this directly. No further baptsisms, no burials listed in Linkinhorne so looks like they moved on.
Now IF this happens to be the same couple we have some missing years 1810-1817. I can’t prove it but there are a few interesting finds here.
Firstly I think Jane is Catherine’s mother.
Catherine POLLARD = Philip BROOKS 3 Apr 1833 in Liskeard.
That is where they are from 1841 onwards. Catherine (Kitty) born in Linkinhorne.
1851 we have living with Philip and Kitty and listed as mother in Law Jane POLLARD Widow aged 63 b Calstock. 1861 we have Jane POLLARD still at same address with Philip and Catherine (Widow aged 73 b St Dominick)
Jane HOOPER was baptized 10 Aug 1788 St Dominick parents Francis and Jane
So it does appear that Jane HOOPER was likely Catherine’s Mother but was she also Joseph and the other children born in Warleggan’s mother.
I find it very interesting that Joseph seems quite confident he was born in St Neot , enumerated wrongly as Sneant, (not Sorant) in 1871, Iniett 1881, Sniet 1891 and then Roach as mentioned by Sam in 1901
Now it appears the sons Francis and Jacob born to William and Jane in Warleggan appear to list births in St Neot in later censuses.
Cornwall Census is Free Online so I won’t detail all these entries.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,144624.0.html
I think probably of most importance from here is 1841
HO107/153/14 Folio 34 Page 8
Jenkins Tenement
St Neot
POLLARD Jane 50 P (pauper) Y
POLLARD James 25 Y
POLLARD Francis 18 Y
Please note young Joseph aged 10 is just next door.
OK – If this is Jane then we have a James aged 25. Looking at him later he lists a birth in Calstock.
Baptisms in Calstock to William and Jane
James 14 May 1815 - father miner of Darkwalls
John 6 Dec 1812
Now doesn’t this look extremely interesting to make this all the same family? We now have a consistent roll of baptisms from a marriage in 1806 to 1830. Children of William and jane who were baptised in Warleggan list births in St Neot. Looking at Jane's age in the census and the matching St Dominick baptism I do think this looks like all one family.
http://www.calstock.info/census/baptisms_a.htm
Cheers Kris 
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krisesjoint
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Hi Sam,
Looking at 1841 Jane is a Pauper so it appears William was probably deceased by then. (though no certainty as status is not listed) 1851 Jane was a widow. Looking at burials before 1837 there is a William buried in St Neot (24 May 1830 aged 53.) I don't like it as Joseph's baptism does not seem mention his father already being deceased by then. I have not viewed the original so there is a chance the date is incorrect - certainly worth checking. (I would think there should be something in the baptism if the father was deceased. Nothing else showing in the parishes of interest for a burial that I can spot pre civil registration. Looking at after civil registration, I do not see any listed in Liskeard 1837-1841. I am afraid and with no age listed at this time in the index it is not very helpful. There is a John aged 16 buried in St Neot 15 Mar 1829 may be the brother. Looking at William and Jane's other children also listing St Neot as their place of birth, perhaps that is where they were born and just baptised in Warleggan.
Cheers Kris
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krisesjoint
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Hi Sam,
Yes the parishes are very close.
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/MAPS/maps.php
No guarantees but I suspect that William is the son of John and Jane. William and Jane's family seem to be Miners. That William is an ag lab. John and Jane had a William in 1813. There are a few Pollard families in the parish. (John and Jane, Henry and Jane, Richard and Mary, James and Abigail, Thomas and Elizabeth.) If you look at IGI batch C021991 you will see. (Three Jane's appear in the 1841 census for St Neot - John and Jane, Henry and Jane and the Jane with the two boys)
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Cheers Kris
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. His daughter is Molines, Cornwall. 1891 is Sniet. In 1901 it is Roach, Cornwall, but this is where his wife was born, I don't think he was.