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hencarrai
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Please can someone help help?
I have traced my Ggrandfather to 1861 and 1851 censusses.
RG9/4218/44/p33 and HO107/2490/240/p18
His name is Charles Davies and he is shown with William, Ann and Thomas.
'51 census says son of Head, and '61 census says grandson.
I sent for his marriage cert, but unfortunately Fathers name and Occupation are just 'squiggles' and completely unreadable.
I cannot pin his birth cert down as there are too many options.
So, I cannot tell if Ann is my GG gran or my GGG gran.
Please can you help answer a few of these queries?
Thanks for any help you can provide,
Hencarrai
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greensleeves
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Re: Davies
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 08 August 09 21:21 UTC (UK) » |
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Well, you do have a bit of a tangle here, don't you!
Looking at the 1841 census we see William (40), Ann (50) and their unmarried son, Thomas (20) living in Llangattock. (HO107/Piece 1366 Book 14 Folio 44 p. 23)
The 1951 census shows Ann to be 64 (or thereabouts) at that time, and young Charles is a year old, having been born about 1850 in Breconshire. So it seems highly unlikely that Ann could have given birth to him at her age. Thomas is shown as being unmarried.
by 1861 William is dead, so Ann is a 76 year old widow, and a pauper, whilst Thomas (47) is still shown as being unmarried, as is Charles.
So as you can see, there doesn't appear to be an easy answer. I was hoping that the 1841 census might show other family members (ie daughters) who might have given birth to Charles but no such luck - Thomas at that time is the only child living at home. So whilst I don't think Charles could have been the son of Ann, he could be the son of Thomas or even the son of another unknown sibling of Thomas.
Hopefully someone else will post who can shed more light on the puzzle!
Regards,
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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hencarrai
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Re: Davies
« Reply #2 on: Friday 27 November 09 11:29 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi Greensleeves, I now have birth cert for Charles (24 July 1849).
Mother ; Margaret Davies
Father; not shown
Place; Beaufort Square
Assumptions; Margaret was daughter of A & W and working away from home, possibly a couple of years older than Thomas.
Possible lead: Osprey found this; 1841 census, HO107/1366/12/15/p2
I guess that's as far as we can go, as we can't tie Margaret to A & W.
Thanks for your help,
Regards,
Hencarrai
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greensleeves
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Re: Davies
« Reply #3 on: Monday 30 November 09 21:10 UTC (UK) » |
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Hi again, Hencarrai
What a pity we can't go any further with the search for Margaret: might have stood more of a chance if she'd had a less common name, of course. There is also the possibility that she died - several women with the same name born in Brecknock shown on FreeBMD between 1849 and 1851, but as no ages are given, it's impossible to conjecture whether or not she might be amongst them.
Maybe it's something to do with the name - I am trying to trace my 2x g grandfather in Co Durham who was a Davis (born Ireland, it appears) and he too, after brief appearances in the 1851 and 1861, seems to disappear, albeit that his wife is shown as married rather than widowed!
Best wishes & sorry I can't be more useful in your search,
Greensleeves
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Suffolk: Pearl(e) & variations - Brettenham, Hitcham,Rattlesden; Waddilove - Rattlesden and possibly Norfolk. Garnham - Belstead, Ipswich & area.
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick - West Hartlepool, Middlesbrough, Leeds, Merrington.
Shadforth - Hartlepool/Stockton
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