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BevL
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completed - What detail on certificate please
« on: Monday 10 August 09 08:08 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
I have been looking at getting a copy of the marriage certificate of my grandfather x 2 in Renfrew in 1835 and would like to know what information it would have on it - for instance; would it have the bride/grooms parents on it.  This is the one thing I am after, but it is no use getting it if the names aren't shown and I will go back to sitting in front of my brick wall AGAIN!
By the way, what other information would be on it?
Kind regards
Bev
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Re: What detail on certificate please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 August 09 08:36 UTC (UK) »
Hello Bev
1835 is too early for a marriage certificate (from the GRO) as Civil Registration did not come into force until July 1837 but you could get a copy of the marriage record from the church registers.  There would be no mention of parents of either bride or groom, just signatures or marks of the witnesses which may or may not be one of the couples' parents.  There won't be much information on this marriage record; maybe just that the couple are a bachelor/spinster or widowed and 'of this parish' or 'of the parish of..'

Even on a marriage certificate post Civil Registration would not mention both parents but SHOULD give both fathers.  I say SHOULD as in some cases where the bride or groom was illegitimate there may be a blanks space where the name should be!

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Re: What detail on certificate please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 August 09 08:38 UTC (UK) »
Hello again Bev

I just noticed that your query was relevant to Scotland!  My answer may not apply as I was talking of English registration.

Janet  Embarrassed
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Re: What detail on certificate please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 August 09 08:39 UTC (UK) »
Hi Bev

As above, but certificates in Scotland came in in 1855.

If you're lucky, the bride's father and his occupation might be mentioned.

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Re: What detail on certificate please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 August 09 08:44 UTC (UK) »
I've just been looking at Sc***people and see that the marriage certificates after 1855 can also record mother's maiden name!  Also the number of marriages of each spouse and number of children of those marriages.  It would seem that the practice of adding all this lovely information was soon dropped but all the same I wish I had more Scottish relatives! 

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Re: What detail on certificate please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 August 09 08:55 UTC (UK) »
Thank you all,
The jinx that sits on my shoulder is still doing it's job, but I will get in touch with the Abbey in Paisley and see what I can find out anyway!
Kind regards
Bev
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Re: completed - What detail on certificate please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 August 09 09:05 UTC (UK) »
Hi Bev

If they died in Scotland after 1855 then their death certificates should have the names of their parents provided the informant knew the details.

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Re: completed - What detail on certificate please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 02:43 UTC (UK) »
Hi Bev

I completley agree with Andy. The death certs is the only sure way you have of finding out the parents names (probvided of course the informant knew - but as they were usually a family member in most cases they are there).

Pre 1855 all you get is the marriage banns - not an actual cert and certainly for Paisley you don't normally get parents names (Abbey Parish is Paisley). Paisley Abbey wouldn't be the church to contact if they married in Renfrew.

You don't say what religion they were but in any case all records are held by either Scotland's People (pay per view) or if not there National Archives in Edinburgh who do have a web site but sadly their recirds not online (They keep promising but.....)

I'd go for the death certs!

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Re: completed - What detail on certificate please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 04:34 UTC (UK) »
Hi,
They were buried in Victoria; my grandmother x 2 was buried in the Presbyterian section, but no mention as to what religion my grandfather x 2.  However, one of the daughters was buried in Western Australia in the Presbyterian section so I would say I would be safe going for that!
On my grandmother's death certificate it shows the parents names; but not the maiden name of her mother. 
See the jinx really does work, but I will try Scotlands People as I may get something out of it.
Kind regards
Bev
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