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babs7
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Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« on: Tuesday 11 August 09 09:32 UTC (UK) »

Hi

Could someone please do a birth lookup for a Harriot or Harriet Avery b 20 Apr 1817 would like to know who her parents were

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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 09:43 UTC (UK) »

As this is before Civil Registration (began 1837) it will be a case of looking for a christening in a Parish record (if she was christened)

Have you got her on later censuses, if so whereabouts in Sussex does she say she was born?

Remember to try the IGI on www.familysearch.org too.
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:17 UTC (UK) »

Hi Liz

Thanks for your reply, I know she was in Kent in 1841 census in Tenterden workhouse.She is buried in Bromley. I not sure if she was born in Kent or Sussex, as I have had no luck with Kent lookus , I thought I might try Sussex as her husband Edward Manser was from Sussex.

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Barbara
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:22 UTC (UK) »

Where did the exact date of birth come from?

IGI has a chr for a Harriet Avery who was bn 22 April 1817
Christeing Nov in Rye, parents William and Martha.
It is an extracted record. Might be worth a look.
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »

The Harriet Manser in Tenterden workhouse in 1841 was aged "15" (i.e. 15-19, given the rounding rule).  She is enumerated as born in Kent. (1841: HO107/476/3/37/3)

On the face of it, this would suggest a birthdate of 1821-1826.  If you don't have a birth/baptism record, how do you know she was born on 20 April 1817?

Did she die between the 1841 and 1851 censuses?  You mention her burial place but not the date of death.

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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:26 UTC (UK) »

This adds a little weight to what Liz has posted.

From SFHG

Harriett Avery baptised 7 Aug 1817 born 22 Apr 1817 Rye Weslyan Methodist Chapel
Father: William
Mother: Martha
Abode: Benenden (which is in Kent)

Sean
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:43 UTC (UK) »

Also see..... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,396589.msg2672751.html#msg2672751
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babs7
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:48 UTC (UK) »

This adds a little weight to what Liz has posted.

From SFHG

Harriett Avery baptised 7 Aug 1817 born 22 Apr 1817 Rye Weslyan Methodist Chapel
Father: William
Mother: Martha
Abode: Benenden (which is in Kent)

Sean

Hi Sean

Is this place near Bromley.

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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:52 UTC (UK) »

Not really, Bromley is in the outskirts of London.
However, it is near Tenterden which you mentioned in an earlier post.

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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:57 UTC (UK) »

The Harriet Manser in Tenterden workhouse in 1841 was aged "15" (i.e. 15-19, given the rounding rule).  She is enumerated as born in Kent. (1841: HO107/476/3/37/3)

On the face of it, this would suggest a birthdate of 1821-1826.  If you don't have a birth/baptism record, how do you know she was born on 20 April 1817?

Did she die between the 1841 and 1851 censuses?  You mention her burial place but not the date of death.

Anna Smiley
Hi Anna,

I sent a email regarding admissions to Tenterden got a reply that  there are no records before 1900's were probably destroyed. Her death date 15 Mar 1847 Bromley.
Barbara
 
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 10:59 UTC (UK) »

IF the William/Martha one in Rye on the IGI iS your girl, then there are several siblings also christened at the same place, with the same parents' names:

Charlotte 1804
Lucy 1808
Thomas 1810
Henry 1812
Elizabeth 1815
William 1819

(you can get the full details from the link I gave above, did you not check out the iGI?)

Do these names also appear in the family bible? (I see from previous thread on same subject that is where the d-o-b came from)
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 11:31 UTC (UK) »

IF the William/Martha one in Rye on the IGI iS your girl, then there are several siblings also christened at the same place, with the same parents' names:

Charlotte 1804
Lucy 1808
Thomas 1810
Henry 1812
Elizabeth 1815
William 1819

(you can get the full details from the link I gave above, did you not check out the iGI?)
I have tried the IGI, that did not help me,to know which was her. I can't even find her marriage or Burial on IGI.
Barbara
Do these names also appear in the family bible? (I see from previous thread on same subject that is where the d-o-b came from
The names of Elizabeth,William and Lucy but they are Edward Manser's brothers and sister and the other names same as earlier Manser's.
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 12:38 UTC (UK) »

Ah so it is a Manser family bible, not an Avery.  So they wont help confirm/deny that this is the right Avery family then.
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 13:17 UTC (UK) »

Ah so it is a Manser family bible, not an Avery.  So they wont help confirm/deny that this is the right Avery family then.

Liz
Is Rye near Westham Pevensey as the Manser family were living there before the rest of family except Edward immigrated to australia in 1839. Is there any marriage records for early 1800's available.
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Re: Birth lookup Harriot Avery
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 13:43 UTC (UK) »

Hi Barbara

They are both on the south coast. Pevensey is between Eastbourne and Hastings, Rye is about 25 miles further east.

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