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Harold1066
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*COMPLETED* WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER*COMPLETED*
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 19:07 UTC (UK) »

I am after the birth details of:

Janet Walker - birth registered in Warrington, 1918 - September Quarter.

When I recently (1st week of August 09) requested a copy of the Birth Certificate from the GRO using their Index, the GRO returned the request and payment saying that and I quote:

"We have been unable to issue a certificate because the reference you found in the indexes is incorrect. This is due to an error which was made when the indexes were compiled."

I have been told that it is possible to obtain the Birth Certificate from the original Register Office (i.e. Warrington). If I can provide them with their reference number.  So was hoping somebody could either look up the reference number for me or tell me how I find the required number (assume need to visit Warrington to look it up?).    Unfortuently the Cheshire BMD site has not digitized Warrington pass 1912 yet.

All help appreciated.

Kevin (Oxfordshire)
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 12 August 09 22:18 UTC (UK) »

Kevin

BMD Birth reference  Warrington 8c 262   
Sept qtr 1918 Janet Walker  Mothers maiden name Connor

is this the same reference you have already tried

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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 August 09 10:42 UTC (UK) »

Kevin, you don't need a reference number - this is what Warrington BC says
http://www.warrington.gov.uk/Adviceandbenefits/Communityadvice/Certificates.aspx
It might be worth a phone call first to see if they will supply from the information you have.
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 August 09 18:29 UTC (UK) »

Pam - Thanks that is the reference that is mis-indexed.

MSHRMH - Unfortunately  the form asks for information that I was hoping to get from the certificate.  All I know is the person's name i.e. Janet Walker and that she was registered in Warrington sometime in July - Sept 1918.   If the BMD entry is correct I also know that her mother's maiden name was probably CONNER.
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 August 09 12:49 UTC (UK) »

Kevin - given what you do know I'd either telephone to ask if they can still supply or just fill in the bits you can on the form & attach a note apologising & explaining the GRO ref is wrong & you'd appreciate their help if possible. Worst is you'll lose the cost of a phone call or stamp & best is a certificate - I've not used Warrington, but RO's vary in how flexible they are with incomplete information.
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 August 09 18:15 UTC (UK) »

mshrmh - My wife managed to speak to the nice people at Warrington RO this morning and as I typed this I am filling in the form from Warrington RO and composing a letter to them with the information I do know and they have said they will do there best to locate the required certificate. 

I am having to word the letter very carefully, since I do not have any idea which bits on the GRO Index are correct - just hope the Registration District, Quarter and Year are OK.

I will also include details of who we believe the father to be which will probably help more then anything.  Have no ideas of the mother's name at present other then the GRO Index says its Conner ?

I will keep this thread open and let everyone know how I get on, in the meantime any other suggestions would be appreciated in case this does not work out.
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 August 09 12:47 UTC (UK) »

Kevin - glad Warrington has "nice people" (most RO's seem to in my experience, though like in all walks of life there are exceptions) & hope they'll come through for you.
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Re: WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 August 09 18:23 UTC (UK) »

Below is the answer the GRO gave when I queried them about why they could not issue a certificate despite the entry being in their index:

"We are unable to issue a certificate as the entry you have located is a 'rogue entry'.  Registrars make copies of entries which are sent to this office.  From these entries, we create references which are then listed on the indexes. In some instances, these references are 'Rogue Entries' which mean that false entries have been forwarded to us and subsequently errors occur within the indexes.  Errors such as these usually occur in the early years of registration when registrars were paid a nominal amount for each registration made."

Since this was the only entry for Janet Walker in the time-frame I can not believe somebody at Warrington made the entry up.  Which if I have read the above correctly is what the GRO are saying happened.

We are still waiting to see if the Registry Office at Warrington can supply the certificate with the little bit of firm information - i.e. Name approx birth year and father's name, we can supply.

Kevin
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Re:*COMPLETED* WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER
« Reply #8 on: Friday 28 August 09 17:58 UTC (UK) »

As promised - here is an update on hunt for the certificate - Warrington Registry Office have come good and supplied us with the required certificate - with this I have got back into the censuses and how have a good idea where to start work on Parish Records.   It would appear that the GRO entry is completely wrong Janet was actually registered in 1916 and her mother's maiden name was LILBURN.   

Thanks again to every body that provided advice.  I wonder how many other 'rogue' entries there are in the GRO index.
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Re: *COMPLETED* WARRINGTON REGISTER - Birth of Janet WALKER*COMPLETED*
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 29 August 09 10:32 UTC (UK) »

Kevin - thanks for posting the good news. (Well done to Warrington RO).
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