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*COMPLETED* Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census

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kersfam
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*COMPLETED* Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« on: Thursday 13 August 09 08:34 UTC (UK) »

According to the Plymouth 1911 census John Glasby states that the child living with them, Herbert Bowdon was a 9 year old 'adopted' son, born in St Augustines Bristol. I understand that an adoption in this decade may have meant fostering either long term or for a short period of time. I am trying to find a connection between this child from Bristol and any relations of the Glasbys, as this child is almost a contemporary of my grandmothers (she was 1 and living in the same household) and yet she never mentioned him if he had lived with them either as a fostered child or adoptive one. John Glasby wasn't very good with dates and ages (he couldn't remember how long he had been married or how old his wife was for example) and there is every possibility that he may have the childs age wrong.

There are two possible birth entries, both Herbert James, but one spelt Bowden (June qtr 1900) and one Bawdon (June qtr 1902). On the off-chance that either he was the 1900 Herbert Bowden and living with his family in the St Augustine area (I do not know Bristol at all well) or if he was yet to be born but was named after his father Herbert, would it still be possible for someone to look up any Bowdens/Bawdons in the 1901 census in St Augustines please? There is a very tenuous link to the surname Bawden used as a middle name by John Glasby's son-in-laws gt aunt but she was born in London and I know the surname is west country in origin.

I know the most obvious thing to do would be to send for both births, but to be honest before I go down this line of enquiry and as yet with no indication he is related to this family or others in my line, I hoped to see if a look up would start me off.

Many thanks

Debbie


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Connolly: PLYMOUTH, COUNTY CORK. Gillespie/Glasby: IRELAND, DEVON. Kerslake: DEVON & SURREY & MDDX, (all LNDN). Bone: NORTHUMBERLAND & CLEVELAND. Mitchell: KENT, SURREY. Howell: KENT. Taylor: KENT & DEVON.
Carter: SURREY, LONDON, KENT. Waldock: BEDS, CLEVELAND. Brittain: CLEVELAND. Ruddock: YORKS. Fidler: YORKS. Burke: IRELAND.

heywood
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 August 09 17:00 UTC (UK) »

Hello Debbie,
this is the only one I can see:

1901 RG13; Piece: 2359; Folio: 86; Page: 2
59 Merrywood Road Bristol

James Bawden 27 yrs
Alice Bawden 27 yrs
Herbert Bawden 1 yr

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kersfam
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 August 09 11:21 UTC (UK) »

Hey Hey,

Well I can start here then and look for Alices maiden name on the marriage details if there are any. By the way, does it mention where either of them were born or James's profession?

Thank you so much for looking for me.

best

Debbie

Quote from: heywood on Thursday 13 August 09 17:00 UTC (UK)

Hello Debbie,
this is the only one I can see:

1901 RG13; Piece: 2359; Folio: 86; Page: 2
59 Merrywood Road Bristol

James Bawden 27 yrs
Alice Bawden 27 yrs
Herbert Bawden 1 yr

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trish1120
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 August 09 11:27 UTC (UK) »

There is this marriage;

James BAWDEN
June 1899
Bristol 6a 437
On same page Alice Maud EVANS

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heywood
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 August 09 11:28 UTC (UK) »

Hi debbie,

I didn't put the details in because I thought they wouldn't be yours - sorry Roll Eyes

and the name is Bawden Huh

I deleted part of the reference too - the page is 23!

James born South Wootton Devon Electric Car Driver
Alice born High Littleton Somerset
Herbert born Bristol

good luck
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 August 09 11:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi again,

looking at 1911 indexes - there is a Herbert Bauden living Clutton with an Alice Wathen and family. There is a 1905 marriage of Alice Bawden to Harold Wathen which would fit.
It looks as though the later birth may be the one you want, debbie.

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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 August 09 12:02 UTC (UK) »

The daughter, Margaret in 1901 would be of an age to have a child at that time and seems to get married in 1906.
Mind you she would have to go off to Bristol Undecided

to have the child.

If I am following the right family, there is no spouse with Johanna in 1891 and 1901 although she is married on both censuses.


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kersfam
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #7 on: Monday 24 August 09 12:17 UTC (UK) »

Quote from: trish1120 on Friday 14 August 09 11:27 UTC (UK)

There is this marriage;

James BAWDEN
June 1899
Bristol 6a 437
On same page Alice Maud EVANS

Trish

Hello Trish,
Yes I found that one too. Many thanks for looking.

Debbie


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kersfam
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Re: 'Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #8 on: Monday 24 August 09 12:36 UTC (UK) »

Hi Heywood,

Thank you for all your help.

I dont think that the Alice and James with son Herbert on the 1901 census are likely candidates if I am looking for a family connection. I shall check the 1911 census that you refer to because I am a little confused with your post.

The surname I was looking for was Bawden/Bouden/Bowden/Bauden in the Bristol area and I'm not sure why you are mentioning the marriage of an Alice Bawden to a Harold Wathen unless you mean Alice Bawden had an illigitimate son in 1902 called Herbert after his natural father Herbert Wathen who she later married in 1905. Is that what you mean? If there is a Herbert Bauden on the 1911 census living in Clutton, I wonder if he was a widower with his son Herbert staying with my family in 1911. Hmmmmmm.

My 2 x great grandmother Johanna's husband John Glasby was a sailor and at sea in 1891 and 1901 censuses. Herbert was definately not their daughter Margarets son.

Many many thanks for all your help with this. I can see I shall have to check out marriages and births to find any possible answers as to who this child was.

Best wishes
Debbie


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heywood
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Re: *COMPLETED* Adopted ' child BOWDON Herbert. 1901 Census
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 August 09 18:56 UTC (UK) »

Hello Debbie,
I didn't think that this Herbert was yours - thinking that you would need to send for the details of the child born later.

The Herbert I found was with James and Alice. I think (without looking back up) that between 1901 and 1905, James must have died and Alice remarried to Mr Wathen. Huh

That was just to identify from 1911 indexes, that Herbert was perhaps with his mother and stepfather and so could not be yours. Hope that makes sense. Grin

good luck
heywood


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