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Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« on: Friday 14 August 09 01:12 UTC (UK) »
Hello all,

All I know about my GGG-Grandmother is that she was called Ann Brighty and she married my GGG-Grandfather William Knight in 1852. She was born abt 1835 in Ramsey or so she says in the census'

Sorry i've no more to go on then that but if anyone can help I would be most grateful

Thankyou

Jonathan
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IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 August 09 05:17 UTC (UK) »
Do you have her marriage certificate which would give her father's name? She seems to have been married as Bright. How sure are you that she was Brighty?

Where have you looked for her prior to her marriage eg censuses? I can't find her

David
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            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 August 09 00:58 UTC (UK) »
Yep appears i've made a boob,

I have no idea where I got Brighty from - My notes are such a mess and its been so long

Anything under Bright or Brights???

Sorry

Jonathan
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IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
MAHER - London
BRIGGS - Doncaster
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 15 August 09 02:10 UTC (UK) »
The IGI has her as Brighty Wink

Ann BRIGHTY
William KNIGHT
15 June 1852, Holme, Huntingdon, England ( extracted)

FreeBMD has;

Ann BRIGHT
June 1852, Peterborough, 3b 379
Also on same page ( one a Brother?)

Ann BRIGHTS
George BRIGHTS
William KNIGHT

Nothing on the IGI for Ann Brights/Bright or George Brights

Trish
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 15 August 09 02:28 UTC (UK) »
Thankyou Trish,

The IGI, thats where I got Brighty from!
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IVES - Rochdale via Yorkshire and Hollingworth
BRIDGENS - Rochdale via Stourbridge
JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 15 August 09 02:53 UTC (UK) »
I'd searched for her under Bright* in both 1851 and 1841, and just as Ann* born Ramsey 1835+/-2 and still nothing. Looks like one of the cases where purchasing the marriage cert is required.

The GRO image is definitely BRIGHT, but it may have been mistranscribed from the marriage cert.

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 15 August 09 03:20 UTC (UK) »
This is probably them in 1871;
Holme, Huntingdon
RG10/1514/64/2

William KNIGHT, 40, head, mar, ag lab
Ann, 36,  wife, born Ramsey, Huntingdon
James Z, 16, son, ag lab
Henry A, 15, son, ag lab
Ann S, 13, daug, scholar
Sarah J, 8, daug, scholar
Charity, 4
Rosena,2
Grace, 10mths
All others born Holme


England and Wales Marriages 1538-1940;

Ann BRIGHTY, age 16, born abt 1836, Father Barnaby Brighty
William KNIGHT, Father James Knight
15 June 1852, Holme, Huntingdon


I am unable to find the Knights in 1861 when they should have at least 3 children with them. Roll Eyes

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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 15 August 09 03:37 UTC (UK) »
This is one mixed up Family Roll Eyes

Look it is going to take awhile but I think she is the daughter of Barnabas and Kezia.

Unfortunately I think she was christened under STEVENS, maybe Kezias name? and then Kezia married Barnaby and on some Census they are Stevens and some Bright Huh Roll Eyes Tongue

Just check these out;

1841, search for Bambyby STEVENS, born 1795, Ramsey, Hunts. Or HO107/448/13/Ramsey
1851, search for Barnabas STEVENER, born 1795, Ramsey
HO107/1748/143/7
1861, search for Barnabas BRIGHTY, born 1795, Ramsey
RG9/971/24/5

See what you think.
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 August 09 03:52 UTC (UK) »
In 1861 they were living in Holme, Northants (Holme was actually in Hunts, but came under Northants for census purposes) indexed by Ancestry as Slough! I've submitted corrections
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            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 15 August 09 03:56 UTC (UK) »
Fantastic bedfordshire boy Grin
Then we should be looking for the Bright/ly/s, Father Barnaby/Barnabas, in Northants then in 1841/1851?
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 15 August 09 04:05 UTC (UK) »
See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,169740.0.html

No, Ramsey was in Hunts even for census purposes! But isn't it her aged 5 with Barnyby (transcribed as Bambyby)  Stevens in 1841 as mentioned by you a few posts ago?

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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 15 August 09 04:08 UTC (UK) »
I tend to think it is her in 1841 but cant confirm it by any other means.
Unfortunately I am about to have guests for lunch so have to sign out. People always disturb my research  Shocked

Trish


EDIT;

I have just read your link. Wow what a Family. Thanks for that. i think I am safer toiling in the Kitchen.

Cheers,
Trish
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 15 August 09 04:14 UTC (UK) »
The marriage cert should confirm her father as Barnaby (or otherwise!).

My insomnia is passing so I'm going back to bed! Enjoy lunch

David
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Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:  Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs:  Bourn: Bowd
             Eltisley: Medlock
             Graveley: Ford/Revell
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 15 August 09 04:36 UTC (UK) »
Thankyou very much folks   Grin

Must order that marriage certifcate then

Thanks

Jonathan
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JACKSON - Prescot
PENKETH - Prescot
CONNOLLY - Kilmain, Ireland/Heywood, Lancs
WILD - Rochdale via Wolverhampton
SANDERSON - Rochdale
KNIGHT - Rochdale via Holme, Huntingdonshire
BARROW - Marton nr Blackpool
DAGGER - Blackpool
BAILEY - Rochdale via Rushton, Staffordshire & Oldham
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Re: Brighty family - 1841/51 - Ramsey/Holme
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 15 August 09 11:57 UTC (UK) »
Yes, that is the best idea Jonathon Smiley

This is Barnaby and Kezias marriage, from www.freereg.org.uk

Kezia HOLLIS
Barnabas STEVENS
11 October 1827, St Thomas A'Becket, Ramsey, Huntingdon

So what we know for you so far is that Ann is the daughter of Barnabas and Kezia . Also that Barnabas is illegitimate and his Father was a Blight/y.

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