|
Pages: [1]
|
 |
|
Author
|
Topic: 1885 Marriage cert - parents names included? (Read 422 times)
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
Hello all
My great grandfather William Alexander Steel was born 1863 in Mile End.
In 1885 he married Harriet Jackson in Bethnal Green.
If I order the marriage cert will it show the parents names?
I am struggling to identify him in the 1871 and 1881 censuses - there are a couple of possibilities but dont know which would be right as none of them give Mile End as his place of birth - instead, other parishes which I believe are nearby but I dont know enough about London geography to make an educated guess.
Thanks for any advice
val
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
OK thanks Pauline
Here is 1871
Bethnal Green
Birth Year: abt 1863
Father's Name: John J
Mother's Name: Sarah
Where born: Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
OR
St Jude Chelsea
Birth Year: abt 1863
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Emma
Where born: London, Middlesex, England
OR
St George in the East
Birth Year: abt 1864
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Eliza
Where born: Waterloo, Middlesex, England
OR
St George Battersea
Birth Year: abt 1864
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ellen
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England
OR
Mile End Old Town
Birth Year: abt 1863
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Sarah Anne
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: Stepney
William and Harriet had 2 daughters - Harriet and Maud Emma, born in Mile End.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
PaulineJ
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9680
Find me in the Yellow Pages.
|
Not Quite what I meant...
Full households
LOCATION
Father, age, occupation, birthplace
mother age, occupation, birthplace
Child #1 age, occupation, birthplace
Child #2 age, occupation, birthplace
& so on.
& then the same for him 1891 on Also trace the 1871/1881 parents to 1891
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
All census look up transcriptions are Crown Copyright ====================================== Brown 1800-> Woolwich (Kent) Barnett 1800-> Woolwich (Kent) Pannifer 1830-> Deptford (Kent) Brierley in Staffordshire(Pre-1875) Walters in Middlesex(Pre-1875) Clift,Gould in Devon/Cornwall http://www.freecycle.org/display.php?region=United%20Kingdom |
|
|
|
|
Valda
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9734
|
Hi
1901 census
RG13 334 folio 100
99 Duckett Street Mile End Old Town
William A Steel 37 Head Married Carman Houndsditch London
Harriett Steel 34 Married Wife Stepney
Harriett R Steel 12 Daughter Stepney
Maud E Steel 11 Daughter Stepney
Emma E Steel 8 Daughter Stepney
Since Houndsditch is in the square mile of the city, this birth registration (the only one for a William Alexander) would be compatible. East London registration district was the east section of the city.
Births Sep 1863
STEEL William Alexander E London 1c 2
Regards
Valda
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
Thanks so much! I hadnt found them on that census.
val
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
Valda
Sorry to pester you but I cant find that census on Ancestry or on the 1901 census online site??  Could you please tell me where to find it?
It mnakes me wonder what else I am missing when I search these sites!
Thanks
Val
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
Valda
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9734
|
Hi
They seem to be transcribed in the surname Red. On the index I use they were Reel. The census enumerator has not written the surname clearly.
Regards
Valda
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
Thanks I would NEVER have found that!
Val
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
Valda
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9734
|
Hi
St Jude, Bethnal Green 13th July 1885
William Alexander Steel 20 Bachelor Labourer 33 Abbey Street Robert Steel Bootmaker
Harriett Jackson 19 Spinster 10 Abbey Street Oliver Jackson (deceased) Labourer
Married by banns, both signed
Witnesses Anthony Emm and Elizabeth Watkins made her mark
Regards
Valda
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
carol8353
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 5815
My two gorgeous grandsons
|
1891 at 20 Gardeners Road Bethnal Green.
William A Steel head 27 carman, all of them b Bethnal Green
Harriett Steel 25 wife
Harriett dau 3
Maud E dau 1
Samuel Jackson brother in law 18 ropemakers labourer
Rg12/268 folio 84 page 1
Carol
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
thanks so much guys! Lokks like the right family. Now struggling to id the father, the bootmaker's parents ...
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
Valda
Moderator
RootsChat Marquessate
Posts: 9734
|
Hi
1871 census RG10 77 folio 53
2 Queens Road East Chelsea
Robert Steel 40 Head Married Soldier S? F Gds Belfast Irleand
Emma Steel 45 Wife Married Surrey
Robert Steel 13 Son London
William Steel 8 Son London
Edward Steel 5 Son London
1861 census RG9 210 folio 140
1 Swan Street St Botolph without Aldgate City of London
Robert Steel 29 Head Married Greder? Ireland
Emma Steel 32 Wife Married Laundress Middlesex
Henry J Chivers 13 Son London
James F Chivers 11 Son London
Emma E Chivers 9 Daughter London
Robert C Steel 2 Son London
St Botolph Aldgate 31st October 1858 born 5th October
Robert Conrad Steel parents Robert and Emma, 14 Queen's Street Tower Hill, father's occupation Bootmaker
same church
Baptism 11th February 1866 born 21st January
Edward Albert Steel parents Robert and Emma, 123 Houndsditch, father' occupation Shoemaker
1881 census RG11 482 folio 141
22 Cadiz Street Mile End Old Town
Robert Steel 50 Head Married Bootmaker Ireland
Emma Steel 54 Wife Married Lambeth Surrey
Edward Steel 15 Son Assista father Houndsditch Middlesex
St George The Martyr 17th February 1846
John Henry Chivers 23 Bachelor Coffee House Keeper Suffolk Street James Chivers Tailor
Emma Peacock 20 Spinster Suffolk Street John Henry Peacock Painter
By Banns and both signed
Witnesses John Hasker and Elizabeth Chivers
1851 census HO107 1532 folio 16
6 Mitre Square St James Duke Street City of London
Henry Chivers 28 Head Married Porter Walworth Surrey
Emma Chivers 25 Wife Married Shoreditch
Henry Chivers 3 Son London
James Chivers 1 Son London
Deaths Dec 1853
Chivers John Henry Newington 1d 194
St Bartholomew, Bethnal Green 12th July 1854
John Pepper 31 Bachelor Cork Cutter 12 Suffolk Street Thomas Pepper Bricklayer
Emma Chivers 28 Widow 12 Suffolk Street John Peacock Painter
Marriage by banns and both signed
Witnesses William John son and Esther Harriss
Possible death registration
Deaths Jun 1856 Pepper John William E London 1c 1
or
Deaths Dec 1856 Pepper John Whitechapel 1c 272
St Leonard Shoreditch 12th July 1857
Robert Steel 25 Bachelor Fusilier The Tower Robert Steel Servant
Emma Pepper 30 Widow 14 Queen Street Henry Peacock Painter
Marriage by banns and both signed
Witnesses James Bennett and Rebecca Butcher
1891 census Robert gives his birthplace as Bush Mills Antrim Ireland - still a bootmaker. Emma is back to a birthplace of Lambeth.
1901 census Robert is a widower, Bootmaker born Antrim Ireland
Regards
Valda
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
valr
RootsChat Member
Posts: 192
|
That's amazing, Valda! Thanks - what a huge amount of progress you've made for me!
How fascinating - my gg gran was married 3 times! And my gg grandfather was a soldier from Ireland .... that gives me lots more to research! Thanks again for your generous assistance.
Val
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Scotland -McCall, King, Morrison, Thomson, Mcfarlane, Stewart, Dow, Jolly, Roberston, Christie
England - Roberts, Steel, Underhill, Brookes, Pope, Stump
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1]
|
|
|
|
|
