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Topic: Hayton in Hutton (or possibly Helton), Westmorland (Read 764 times)
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Janeada
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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for the baptism of Betty or Elizabeth Hayton c1766 (my 3x gt. grandmother) and getting throughly confused  On the two census returns that exist for Betty (1851 & 1861) she says she was born at "Hutton, Westmorland". I take this to be either Old Hutton or New Hutton which were both townships within the parish of Kendal. What I can't fathom is whether or not these townships had their own churches around the mid 18th century or would people who lived their have to use Kendal parish church? I'm hoping someone knows the area better than I do and can help me.
On the IGI here is a baptism for a Betty Hayton at Kendal in 1771 it is a bit later than I would have liked but still possible. The IGI only start their coverage of Old Hutton and New Hutton in 1813. So I am a little wary in case there are registers at either Old Hutton or New Hutton which the IGI do not have.
Getting a bit desperate, 
Janeada
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Janeada
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Hi,
Thank you sillgen. The LDS don't have anything for Old and New Hutton before 1813 I have checked the library catalogue which is why I wondered if they were both chapels of ease and their respective baptisms etc being recorded in Kendal registers. Yet a little booklet I bought from Cumbria Archive seems to suggest that the registers start from 1741 for New Hutton and 1686 for Old Hutton - hence my confusion! Hutton Roof registers start 1813 whichever source you look at so that is probably not the one I want.
I suppose the easy way out of this is to ask the Archive people to do the research for me but that will be very expensive given the hourly fee they charge.
Janeada
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ChrisWest
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Hi,
If your booklet is 'Cumbrian Ancestors' (3rd edition) it is the resource most commonly used locally, albeit printed 10 years ago.
At the time you are researching, New Hutton and Old Hutton were 2 of the 14 chapelries/townships in the Parish of Kendal which had their own churches/chapels.
Your are correct in your earlier message that the baptisms were recorded in the registers of Holy Trinity, Kendal. This is where the IGI causes confuson in that the entries from all 14 chapels appear as 'Kendal' and it does not differentiate. Unfortunately there is no alternative to checking the original Parish Records to confirm or not.
To confuse matters further, the IGI records are taken from the BTs not the PRs, and so any errors and omissions are compounded.
You will probably find that KRO will undertake a free search as long as it does not take more than 10 minutes. If you are a member of Cumbria FHS you may find someone to help or there will be other researchers who charge less than £27 / hour.
Good Luck
Chris
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Janeada
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Hi,
Thank you Sillgen and ChrisWest for all the helpful comments.
Sillgen, I was going to ask at the local LDS family history centre. The nearest one to me is just outside Nottingham but they are closed until the beginning of September. It can be very frustrating if you order the "wrong" film so I was just trying to make sure where I should be looking. Elizabeth Hayton married Edward Fisher 11 August 1798 at the parish church in Kendal. They lived in Kendal and produced seven children, Thomas, Jonathan, Dorothy, Robert, Edward, Barbary and Elizabeth. All of those names appear in the two previous generations of the Fisher family so there isn't really a clue in the names. The 1771 baptism I found was a child of Miles and Elizabeth Hayton so if this was my Elizabeth/Betty then she didn't use her father's name for one of her children, nor do any of her grandchildren so far as I know have the name Miles.
ChrisWest, my booklet is "Cumbrian Ancestors" published in 1988 and very useful it has been over the years. I was guessing when I said that the baptisms might be in Kendal parish registers. This happens at Ulverston, Lancashire too where there were several small chapels of ease most of which later became parish churches in their own right. It can make finding the register you need a bit of a puzzle.
Thank you once again,
Janeada
P.S. One of my Fisher Family married a William Sill at Kendal (1866) I think he was born at Blackburn c1847. Is he anything to do with your tree Sillgen?
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Janeada
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You have my sympathy Sillgen. I think just about every family historian who has worked their way back through the 19th century has at least one like that.
I've sent an e-mail to Kendal Archive asking them to have a look at the 1771 baptism of Betty Hayton for me. Hopefully it will show a place of abode.
Janeada
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DickieDoodle
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Hi,
After reading this topic, I'm just wondering if Andrea gets commission from LDS!!
With all due respect, to any unexperienced genealogist surfing the internet it would appear that you are suggesting that the LDS is the prime and best source of information. Admittedly, the IGI is an invaluable SECONDARY source which helps if you do not live within the research area, but the BEST & PRIMARY source has to be the Parish Registers.
According to the South Westmorland Family History website, there are hundreds of baptisms missing from the IGI for Kendal Parish, so ordering a film which may contain errors and omissions could well be a waste of money.
You may also be interested to know that baptisms were taking place in New Hutton as early as 1729 as per Holy Trinity, Kendal PARISH REGISTERS!!
Regards
DD
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Janeada
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DickieDoodle,
If I lived near to Kendal Archive then this discussion would not be taking place I would be there consulting the original documentation. Sillgen is only trying to help. Sadly like so many other people I live a long way away from the primary sources needed for my research. The LDS can be a great help in this situation. I recently had a film of a Norfolk parish register and found baptisms I know are not in the IGI. Admittedly the IGI is a very flawed secondary source which can only be used as a pointer. Definitely not to be relied upon as a sole source for research. It should always be checked against the parish registers where they exist and/or the BTs. And if there is corroborative evidence such as the census or wills so much the better.
And whilst we are discussing this sort of thing - it doesn't always pay to employ a researcher. My Fisher family tree had a big hole blown in it when I found the burial of a child aged one year. The researcher had assured me that this child's baptism was that of my 2x great grandfather which plainly was not correct. I had begged that man to look at the burial registers to see if any of the baptisms he was sending were those of children who sadly did not live long but he did not or could not I don't know which. At the time it was completely out of the question for me to go and look for myself. I eventually sorted out the mess by paying a lot of money for the Archive researchers to do some work for me. So now I like to see the parish registers for myself as much as possible.
Janeada
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BobKendal
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As William Turner said:
'Byrdes of on kynde and color flok and flye allwayes together'.
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DickieDoodle
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I suppose a quote for the research would be out of the question?!!
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Janeada
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Sorry DickieDoodle you have lost me. You are going to have to explain what you mean. Sorry to be so thick!!
Janeada
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DickieDoodle
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1771, Feb 25 - Betty d/o Miles & Elizabeth Hayton of Fellside
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