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dee57
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Looking for details/info regarding Edward Burbridge, birth stated as 3rd June 1857 according to Met Police Records - Ash Kent. However, death cert. indicated that he was older (94, not 90 as thought)and therefore born 1852. Second marriage to Florence Dudley in 1924 gave his father's name as Richard Burbridge - Landowner (deceased). Some confusion around Ash ( next Ridley or Sandwich); Edward known to have married Esther (around 1874)- who was from Southborough, Kent, born 1857. Edward and Esther had relatives around Tudley. Son called Horace born 1875 - Tudley. Edward was in the Metropolitan Police from 1881-1906 - had a large family. Can only locate Edward on 1881/91/01 Census, not 1861/71. Census of 1881 states his birth as Sandwich / though exhaustive research cannot locate him there, although an extended Burbridge family resided there, but no mention of Edward. I cannot locate/confirm Edward's birth, strands of info, but unable to substantiate. Any help gratefully received - now at a loss.
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lizdb
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Think your best course of action is to find birth on 1837online.com - who have indexes for all births marriages and deaths. It is pay to view, but at least it is complete. Also look for his marriage, and births of children.
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carol8353
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Is this the birth info of Horace?
Births Jun 1875 Burbridge Horace Edward Tunbridge ref 2a 576
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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carol8353
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Here are the family on the 1881 so we can try to pin him down in 1871 too.
Edward BURBRIDGE Head 24 Sandwich, Kent, Police Constable
Esther BURBRIDGE Wife M 24 Southboro, Kent,
Horace BURBRIDGE Son 5 Tudley, Kent, Scholar
Emily BURBRIDGE Dau 9 m Blackheath, Kent,
Living at 3 Margaret Cottes Epsom Common,Surrey
Carol
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukRogers, Rapkin, Phillips - Hammersmith/Fulham/Paddington areas Worth Bailey, Heapy, Burgess. All Macclesfield Cheshire Mockridge,West Monkton Somerset Jenner,Clapham Surrey Kendrick,Liverpool Wensley,Somerset Coleman and Mc Namara from Ennis, Co Clare, Ireland Blake and Maloney from Kilbaha Co Clare, Ireland |
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casalguidi
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This family would certainly fit the criteria ie. from Sandwich area but living in Hadlow nr. Tonbridge:
1871
Fairfield, Hadlow, Kent
Richard BURBRDIGE head mar 48 carrier & baptist preacher b.Boughton Malherbe Kent
Mary A wife 42 b.Leeds
Mercy dau 19 b.Worth
Israel son 17 ag lab b.Sandwich
Abraham son 15 ag lab b.Sandwich
Abel son 14 b.Winsboro (sic) Woodnesborough?
Isaac son 12 b.Sandwich
Caleb son 10 b.Sandwich
Ruth dau 6 b.Sandwich
RG10/934 folio 10 page 13
Just a thought ........ could your Edward have had a different given name? Was he a baptist?
Best wishes
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casalguidi
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A John E BURBRIDGE appears to have married an Esther/Hester SPRINGETT in the Tonbridge area 1874.
Any significance?
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carol8353
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Here's that family in 1861 that Casalguidi found in 71 for you.
Dad is Richard- he's down as a Railway plate layer???
3 year old son Alfred is crossed out and his Jewish name of Abel is entered instead.
But I'm not at all convinced they're yours!!!
Alfred abt 1858 Woodnesborough, Kent, England Son Sandwich St Clement Kent
Isaac abt 1860 Sandwich, Kent, England Son Sandwich St Clement Kent
Abraham Burbridge abt 1857 Sandwich, Kent, England Son Sandwich St Clement Kent
Isarael Burbridge abt 1856 Sandwich, Kent, England Son Sandwich St Clement Kent
Mary Burbridge abt 1855 Word, Kent, England Daughter Sandwich St Clement Kent
Mary Ann Burbridge abt 1823 Leeds, Kent, England Wife Sandwich St Clement Kent
Miram Burbridge abt 1852 Sandwich, Kent, England Daughter Sandwich St Clement Kent
Richard Burbridge abt 1823 Boughton Malherbe, Kent, England Head Sandwich St Clement Kent
Will look at this in depth......did you get the birth cert of any of the ones found earlier this year?
Regards
Carol
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ON 1837 online there IS a John E Burbridge born June 1857 in Clerkenwell ref 1b 491. Have you looked into this? The name fits with the John E who married Esther Springett in 1874.
Were any siblings of his witnesses to his wedding at all?
I'll come back to this tomorrow.
Night night
Carol
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Hi there
I've been looking at this and wondered how come there was a 12 year old Kate E in 1891 and yet she is not there in 1881.
Well I've found her with grannie and grandad  Shame it's not dad's parents 
But a help nevertheless?
Grandad is an Ag Lab,and for the record,I think the surname should be Springett ,but have copied and pasted here.
1881 England Census
Kate Emily Burbridge abt 1879 Woolwich, Kent, Granddaughter
Henry Robert Rogers abt 1862 Southboro, Kent, Boarder
Emily Jane Springest abt 1864 Tonbridge Wells, Kent, Daughter
Henry Springest abt 1831 Tonbridge, Kent, Head
Mary Ann Springest abt 1832 Southboro, Kent, Wife
Thomas Edwd. Springest abt 1867 Shipbourne, Kent, Son
William Thos. Springest abt 1862 Leigh, Kent, Son
At Crockhurst St Somerhill Cottage Tudeley RG11/0921 folio 69 page 5.
Glad to hear you're going to get Horace's birth cert,it should help shed loads
All the best
Carol
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And here's Esther with mum and dad in 1871.
At Woodbury Cottage Tudeley Road Tonbridge Kent.
RG 10/933 folio 34 page 40.
Emily J Springett abt 1867 Tonbridge, Kent, Daughter
Esther Springett abt 1855 Tonbridge, Kent, Daughter
Henry Springett abt 1829 Tonbridge, Kent, Head General labourer.
Mary A Springett abt 1834 Tonbridge, Kent, Wife
Mary Ann Springett abt 1858 Tonbridge, Kent, Daughter
Thomas E Springett abt 1867 Tonbridge, Kent, Son
William T Springett abt 1863 Leigh, Kent, Son
At least now I think we are pretty sure that this is the correct family.
They have an Esther who is the right age,grandaughter Kate E Burbridge who by the way was born Woolwich June 1878 ref 1d 1097 Is with them in 1881.
So i think it's pretty conclusive that this Esther was the one who married John Edward Burridge in 1874 about 9 months before Horace was born, as suggested by Casalguidi. To order cert you need ref number 2a 850 Tunbridge district Sept 1874.
You will then be able to find out for certain(hopefully ) who his father was.
I have a suspicion it may have been a John,which is why yours was known by his middle name of Edward?
Hope this helps a bit more,
All the best
Carol
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Hi Dee
Did you get the certs yet?
Does it tell us anything useful.
Just back off hols and found your PM to me,thought I'd try and get an update
All the best
Carol
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dee57
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Hi,
Yes - the certs now lead me to believe that this now fits pretty conclusively.
Abraham's birth certificate just happens to have the same birth date as Edward - that is, June 3rd. Too much of a coincidence. I am almost 100 per cent sure that Edward's true birth name was Abraham and that the 'Baptist' family is correct.
I wondered whether to look in old school records for Abraham (Edward, John Edward) to see if I could link it further.
Having said that, I now need to perhaps go back to Richard Burbridge b: 1823 Boughton Malherbe Kent to try and go back further.
Thank you again.
Dee
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