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Davidjnr
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi I am trying to see if anyone can help me trace my family back a little further on my mother's side.
My G.G.Gradfather and G.G.Grandmother were Albert Robinson b.1868 and Frances Clement b.1866.
Albert was born in Bradford, Lancashire, England and Frances was born in Lancaster.
On the 1911 Census I have found them married 19 years with children Lily b.1893, Albert b.1895, Joseph b.1899, John Henry b.1902 and Adeline b.1904.
On the 1901 Census I have found them again without John Henry and Adeline as they are yet to be born and I have also found their marriage in 1891 Oct-Dec Prestwich 8D 592.
I have been unable to find either of them on the 1891 Census Can anyone help?
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rosie99
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Not what you are looking for I know but they appear to have married at St Anne, Newton Heath, Manchester as per Lancashire bmd
CLEMENT Frances
ROBINSON Albert
Reference 102/1/256
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rosie99
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Hi
20 Edwartd Street, Failsworth
PLATT, Emma Head Single F 57 Laundress bn Manchester
PLATT, Edith Daughter Single F 20 Operative Cotton bn Failsworth
BARNES, Clara Daughter Married F 23 Twiner Piecer Cotton Mill bn Failsworth
CLEMANCE, Fanny Lodger Single F 24 Weaver Cotton bn Lancaster
RG12 Piece 3268 F7 P7
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rosie99
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and at 30 Silk Street, Newton
ROBINSON, Alice Head Widow F 51 bn Prestbury Cheshire
ROBINSON, Albert Son Single M 23 Fire Beater bn Bradford Lancashire
ROBINSON, Allen Son Single M 20 Beamer bn Bradford Lancashire
ROBINSON, Jane Ann Daughter Single F 17 Pen Hank Winder bn Bradford Lancashire
ROBINSON, John H Son M 14 1877 Cut Looker bn Newton Heath Lancashire
RG12 Piece 3252 F 93 P 13
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rosie99
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Hi
You would need Frances's marriage certificate to back this up but in 1871
Collyhurst Road, Manchester
CLEMENT, Edwin Head 29 Crayford Kent ADDED Occupation woolen clerk
CLEMENT, Annie Wife 26 Orton Yorkshire
CLEMENT, Fanny Daughter 5 bn Warton Lancashire (Warton is a district near Lancaster)
OLDHAM, Samuel Boarder 20 bn Lancashire
RG10 Piece 4054 F119 P28
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Davidjnr
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I received the marriage certificate today:
Frances Clement 25 a spinster was married on the 1 November 1891 to Albert Robinson 23 a bachelor.
Alberts occupation was a stoker. Frances has none on the certificate.
I believe the addresses of the married couple are wrong as Albert's family on the 1881 Census are living at the address marked down on the marriage certificate for Frances Family - 31 Pilling Street, Newton.
The other address which I believe is Frances address is 31 (almost illegible - I will send it to someone if they want to check) looks like t.ton..afson Street.
Frances father is Edward Clement again the occupation is written down but I am unable to read it.
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rosie99
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Are you able to post the portion of the certificate you can't read on here, ie Frances's address and Edward Clements occupation. It is not unknown for the bride and grooms residence addresses to be the same, or not the address of where the family is resident. It is often done so banns only need to be read in one parish.
I see it gives Frances's father as Edward and not Edwin as the one I have found as a baptism / census entry. I have found that these two names are sometimes 'switched' during a lifetime - I have an incidence in my own family of this happening with Edward/Edwin.
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Davidjnr
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Ive been digging and it gets all very confusing as the names keep switching as you say...
1871 Census I have a Fanny Clement b.1866 living with Father Edwin Clement 29 and mother Ann 26. He is a clerk (Woollen) and they are living at 145 Collyhurst Road with Samuel Oldam a boarder.
1881 Census I can find no trace of Frances/Fanny anywhere? I have found her father again Edwin now 39 although he is now a gas light lighter, living with Ann and Alice, Annie and Edwin jnr in 15 Aigburth Street Liverpool.
1891 Census I can find no trace of Frances/Fanny anywhere? However a strong possibly is 20 Edward Street, Failsworth as added below, with Emma Platt, Edith Platt, Clara Barnes as Fanny Clemance is the right age 24 and Weaver Cotton athough born Lancaster when the 1871 census says Orton, Lancashire. However her father now Elward Clement is 49 and a Pork Butcher (exactly his occupation on the marriage certificate of Frances). Also at the address 19 Park Street, Liverpool are Annie, Alice, Annie and Edwyn.
1901 Elward becomes Edwyn a Butcher.
There are discrepencies as to where they were born, Ann from Yorkshire then Ireland, Edwin, Elward and Edywn from London then Kent.
What does everyone think? How do I post a taster?
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rosie99
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1891 Census I can find no trace of Frances/Fanny anywhere? However a strong possibly is 20 Edward Street, Failsworth as added below, with Emma Platt, Edith Platt, Clara Barnes as Fanny Clemance is the right age 24 and Weaver Cotton athough born Lancaster when the 1871 census says Orton, Lancashire. However her father now Elward Clement is 49 and a Pork Butcher (exactly his occupation on the marriage certificate of Frances). Also at the address 19 Park Street, Liverpool are Annie, Alice, Annie and Edwyn.
The 1871 has Frances/Fanny being born Warton, it is her mother who is born Orton, Yorkshire
There is a marriage March qtr 1865 Lancaster reg district for Edwyn Clement and Annie Morland Stainton. Lancaster reg dist 8e 721 according to Lancashire bmd it was either Register Office or Registrar attended.
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rosie99
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In [/s]1871[s] 1861 I think this is Edwyns wife
RG09 piece 3164 folio 83 page 7
living at Station House, Silverdale, Lancaster is
William STAINTON Head 38 Station Master bn Sedburgh Yorkshire
Mabel Wife 36 bn Horton Yorkshire
Anne Dtr16 Assists At Home bn Horton, Yorkshire
John Son 11 Scholar bn Cartmel Lancashire
William Son 5 Scholar bn Blackburn Lancashire
Thomas Grandson 11Months bn Silverdale Lancashire
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rosie99
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Just a thought - Who were the witnesses on Fannys wedding certificate 
Rosie
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