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Ruskie
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Althea and Trudi,
Would it be possible to let us (nosey ones who are folloiwng this post) know the gist of what the death notice says? (Obviously omit names of anyone still possibly living). 
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althea
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May not mean much, because I'll have to leave out all refs to living
Bye
Althea
Hopefully will give new family to follow up
NZ Herald Sat Jan 2 1971
HAND, Charles Henry (Regtl No 10/1833, First World War). On December 29, 1970, at Auckland Hospital, loved father of X (male), father-in-law of X and pop of X and X. May he rest in peace. Funeral prayers at the chapel of Davis Funeral Services Ltd, 294 Dominion Rd, at 1 pm Today (Saturday), the funeral then leaving for Waikumete Soldiers' Cemetery.
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Ruskie
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Thanks Althea - I was interested to see if the (possible) new wife was mentioned. 
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althea
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From the regt number, it sadly may appear that this Charles has been a redherring, and you may need to cancel purchases if poss.
http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/cenotaph/RecordDetail.aspx?OriginalID=45086&SearchID=7700185&Ordinal=2
Click on above and you will see the number matches Henry Hand
Next of Kin Henry Hand (father), Queen Street, Milton, Otago, New Zealand
Very cruel, but as your man didn't leave for NZ till 1920's sadly this is not the one we want 
BYe
Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Ruskie
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But the one in the link says "single" and the death notice says "father of" and "father in law of" .... 
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Lucy2
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Hold ALL tickets !!
Hi Althea
Gosh ... there really is something strange going on here 
Did you also notice on the Cenotaph website, that there is a Thomas HAND - with the same father (Henry HAND of Milton, Otago) ?
Checking NZ births, I cannot see a Henry (or Charles Henry) HAND (or HANA / HANNA) born circa 1887.
There are though the following births to a Henry and Barbara HAND :
1894 - Henry
1896 - Thomas
[And on Archway ... the following probates (likely the parents of Henry HAND b. 1894 ?)
HAND - Henry - Milton - labourer - 1943
HAND - Barbara - Milton - Married woman - 1943 (also) ]
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* SO ... was there, another Henry HAND at Milton who might have had a son named "Charles Henry" or "Henry"
Lu
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Lucy2
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This (NZ) death ... (might it be on burial locator ?)
1986 - Henry HAND - d.o.b. 10 October 1894
(My thoughts are, that this may be the son of Henry HAND of Milton ... and also perhaps the "rightful owner" of Regimental # 10/1833 ?)
Is it possible that the "Charles Henry HAND" has been buried with the Regimental number of similarly-named person ?
Lu
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Lucy2
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Althea ... or ... Lizzielogs
If one of you can PM to me, the name of the son mentioned in the funeral notice, I can do some further checking.
[I'm at Library in the morning so can do look-ups then ].
Lu
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AMBLY
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I noticed the name of the Funeral Directors - who are still in business in Auckland.
They often have information regarding the family (eg: dob, place of birth, parents names, wife/partner) of the deceased on their records. Might be worth giving them a phone call on Monday, they usually look it up right away? Having come so far, it might be the information needed to either eliminate this man entirely from the search or keep him in the running so to speak.
If no-one of you - Lu, Althea or Ruskie, lives in Auckland - I do, & I'm happy to make the call for you if you want, just let me know!
Cheers
AMBLY
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Lizzielogs
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I noticed the name of the Funeral Directors - who are still in business in Auckland.
They often have information regarding the family (eg: dob, place of birth, parents names, wife/partner) of the deceased on their records. Might be worth giving them a phone call on Monday, they usually look it up right away? Having come so far, it might be the information needed to either eliminate this man entirely from the search or keep him in the running so to speak.
If no-one of you - Lu, Althea or Ruskie, lives in Auckland - I do, & I'm happy to make the call for you if you want, just let me know!
Cheers
AMBLY
That would be kind of you, I have my doubts now as the age from birth to death is a couple of years out!
Regards Lizzielogs
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Hand, Gower, Turner
Mile End Old Town London, Margate Kent.
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Lucy2
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Hi Lizzielogs
Yes, I'm afraid this recent discovery concerning the burials of two men under the SAME Regimental number, rather defies belief.  Obviously (at this point) though, we are no wiser as to how this error occurred.
True, many people did "deliberately" lie about their ages ... but on the other hand, a great many also, (without ready access to official records), probably on occasions, just guessed at their date or year of birth. In the case of the Waikumete cemetery record, the age "83" for Charles Henry HAND will be the age "given by the informant to his death".
AND ... sometimes informants get "ages" (and other information) correct .... and other times, they do not !
But you'd have to guess, that in this instance whereby there has been a mistake with attributing the wrong regimental service number, that there may well be other "errors" on the death record for Charles HAND ?
Hope that Spanish mail system favours you, and delivers up, real soon ! (The suspense is "killing" us too.) 
Lu
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