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laura24
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Hi All,
I'm hoping you can help me, i have started looking into the Esdale side of my family again and have posted on here previously.
I am a little confused:
My grandad is Gerald Esdale, born 1930, in Old Kilpatrick
His parents are David Esdale and Letitia Pearson who were married in 1916 in Old Kilpatrick
However, on the wedding certificate the name is EASDALE - David is 24 and Letitia is 21
David's parents are William Easdale and Elizabeth Caldwell
I also have David's death certificate - he died in 1932
Only when i look for his birth entry i seem to be hitting a brick wall, with no mention of him at all on the 1901 census.
Is anybody able to help me or point me in the right direction please
Laura
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Laura
This looks like David's parents in 1891:
William Easdale 24, riverter, b. Duntocher, Dunbarton
Elizabeth Easdale 25, b. Campsie, Stirling Sh
Address: Big Land, Old Kilpatrick
Their 1901 census entry is not jumping out at the moment on the transcript 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Laura
From David's marriage entry, do parents show as alive or deceased? Any possible family witnesses named?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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laura24
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Hi Monica
On the wedding entry it shows that both William and Elizabeth are still alive, and witnesses are a Selina and Isaac(i think) Pearson, who are pbviously relations of Letitia's.
i just find it bizarre that i cannot seem to match up any entries for david
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MonicaLesl
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Tried searching for death of mother Elizabeth under Caldwell and Easdale (with wildcards) and not seeing anything either
Monica
Well there is only one but with a birth year of 1877 who died in 1960.
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Found this entry in 1901, but where is David 
William Easdale 33, Riviter In Shipyard, b. O K (?), Dumbartons
Elizabeth Easdale 35, b. Campsie
Isabella Easdale 8, b. O K, Dumbartons
Address: Pattisons Land, Old Kilpatrick
Laura, does the occupation for the William above fit with the occupation that David gave for his father in his marriage entry?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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laura24
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I think i know why i moved to another branch of the family now!!
That would make her around 14 when she had David if the records and dates i have are correct, which i suppose could be possible!! However, William and Elizabeth are married at the time of David's birth.
I have just looked at David's Death entry, and it show that William is deceased in 1932, however, it doesn't say if Elizabeth is deceased - would it normally record the mother as deseased?
Thank you for your help Monica
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laura24
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William was a ironmoulder journeyman at the time of davids wedding, but david worked in the shipyards - is it possible that william could of changed careers?
I can't even find david as a lodger/boarder anywhere.
is it possible that the information was documented on the marriage entry wrong, i.e. age?
but i would assume that the info is correct as I deffinately know my grandad was born in 1930, he was the youngest of Letitia and David's children, and as far as i am aware there was quite a few of them, grandad also had an older sister called Elizabeth.
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MonicaLesl
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You might have to try and find some other info to get closer to David's details. There are only two deaths showing for a James E*sdale between 1891-1932, b. 1865 +/- 10yrs for example. Elizabeth's entry for now there is not much you can do about given it is outside of the period you can view deaths on line at SP (although it can be ordered for example).
I was about to ask whether you has looked at the marriage of James E*sdale and Elizabeth Caldwell...but I can't see that either 
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Just realised I was talking about a James Easdale in my last post...sorry 
The only marriage showing anywhere in Scotland between a William E*dale and an Eli* any surname between 1885-95 is likely to be that couple we have in Old Kilpartrick in 1891/1901. The marriage shows there in 1888 but bride's surname is MCARTHUR
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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laura24
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Oh my word!!!
I'm soo frustrated with it all, but i will get there!!
It's harder as well as as far as i am aware my grandad was from a big family, but then moved to Salford in the 60's so there has never been any connection with the Scottish side of the family and this is all i have to go on!!
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MonicaLesl
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You said father was deceased by 1932 and David's death. Was he deceased at the time of David's wedding in 1916? Mother looks to have been alive, or is noted as such at the time of David's death by the sounds of it.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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laura24
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hi
william was alive at the time of david and letitia's wedding in 1916,
but he was deceased when david died in 1932.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ev
Oh I'm glad you are here  I'm going round with circles on this one. I think I have assumed (wrongly) that the couple in Old Kilpatrick in 1891/1901 given their names were likely parents for David but in reality we have nothing at this stage to confirm that David was from there up until the point of his marriage in 1916.
With the lack of a marriage on SP, not sure where to go next given we are not finding David in 1901 with any confidence.
From what you have Laura on David's cert., father William died between 1916-32 and mother Elizabeth was still alive post 1932.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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