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Ceeoh
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Looking for Mary Jane Porteous. 1871 census
Daughter of James Porteous (c1829) and Margaret Glover (c1823)
Mary Jane was born c1868/1869
Margaret (Glover) Porteous - mother of Mary Jane - died 31 October 1869, Dryfesdale, Dumfries.
1881 census Mary Jane age 12 is with her father James, stepmother Mary and step sister Jessie, Rerrick, Kircudbright. Mary Jane's place of birth is given as Crossmichael, Kircudbright. However, her brothers were born in Dryfesdale and her mother died in Dryfesdale.
1871 Rerrick, Kircudbright, James (a widower) is residing Collin House, Rerrick Civil Parish, Hamlet of Collin Mill. With him are his two sons John 11 and Robert 9, (both born Dryfesdale) and a housekeeper. Mary Jane is not with them.
Would like to know where Mary Jane was 1871 census. Possibly with Glover family? as her mother had died and she would then only be about 2 years old.
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Ceech
Can't see any birth on IGI for Mary Jane to parents James and Margaret (Glover), only the two sons' details. Nor is there any sign of her on the 1871 census under the surname of Porteous. Could Mary Jane be the daughter of second wife Mary perhaps? What was her maiden name?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Did James Porteous marry a Mary Burnie on 01 JUN 1871 in Rerrick, Kirkcudbright? This might be the birth entry for Mary Jane:
MARY JANE BURNIE Birth: 03 MAY 1868 Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright
Parents: MARY BURNIE
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ceeoh
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Hi Monica
This is interesting!
James Porteous was married to Margaret Glover from June 1858 until her death in 1869.
1871 census he is with his two sons and housekeeper Helen Dobie in Rerrick
Yes, James married Mary Agnes McBurnie 1st June 1871
1881 James and wife Mary, daughter Jessie Porteous 7 and daughter Mary Jane Porteous 12 are in Rerrick.
A birth for Mary Jane Burnie 3 May 1868 fits perfectly with 1881 census age and place of birth
It doesn't look as if Mary Jane was James's daughter at all?
Is there a Mary Jane McBurnie age 2? on the 1871 census?
Very many thanks
Margaret
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Margaret
I did try looking for young Mary Jane in 1871 (even leaving out surname) but can't easily see her  ....back to where you started with your query. I am looking at a transcript index, might be worthwhile you checking on Scotlands People as well. www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Monica 
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ceeoh
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Many thanks Monica
Actually had a look at buying some credits for scotlandspeople earlier this evening but it looked as if they would debit me with magazine charges (or something) as well. Will have a better look at it I believe their credits go a long way - not like the 1911!! I am new to this paying for things on the internet so need to read things very carefully 
It certainly looks as if Mary Jane is Mary McBurnie's daughter.
Thanks for you help, much appreciated.
Margaret
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Ceeoh
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Just realised I am jumping from McBurnie to Burnie - however - the original research was not mine, I'm sure McBunie is Burnie.
Thanks again
Margaret
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Margaret
Regarding SP, the magazine offer has nothing to do with you buying units. It's just there on the payment page as a special promotion
If you haven't used SP before, have a look at this guide here on RC:
Optimise Scotlandspeople searches www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
Another useful guide:
Where to start with Scottish Research www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ceeoh
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Many thanks for the links will certainly read these before going any further.
Much appreciated
Regards
Margaret
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Ceeoh
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Thanks Jean will certainly give it a try. Certainly lots to read on the two links received from MonicaLesl.
10 free credits sound very good indeed our rate of exchange is fiendish costs us over R13 for every
GBPound. (Six pound of credits costs us about R80!  )
Much appreciated, thank you
Margaret
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MonicaLesl
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Margaret
Just having another look for young Mary Jane in 1871...still looking....
Mother Mary Jane Burnie is working as a nurse at the Moffat household at Forest House, Rerrick. This makes sense given her marriage a few months later to James Porteous.
She shows as born in Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright and is aged 25.
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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It could be that Mary Jane is registered under the surname of her 'reputed father', often happens with illegitimate children. Have you found Mary Jane Snr in earlier censuses? What were her parents names?
Monica
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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MonicaLesl
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Could this be Mary Jane in 1851 I wonder:
Mary Taylor 36
Jane Burnie 10
Mary Burnie 6
Wellwood Cowan 1
Robert McWilliam 14, tailor appr., b. Penfront (?spl), Dumfries
Address: Abbey-yard, Crossmichael
All of the above are showing as born in Crossmichael and as Mary Taylor's children,
If this is the right entry for Mary Jane and her mother and siblings in 1851, then this might be young Mary Jane in 1871:
Mary Taylor 55, Ret Man Serv (messy!)
Mary Jane Morton 2, granddaughter
Address: Abbey Yard, Crossmichael
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MacIsaac, MacDonald, MacPherson, MacVarish, MacMaster: Moidart - Inverness-shire. Gillies: pre-1850 Knoydart, Inverness-shire /post 1850s Fort William area - Argyll. Tully, Tulley, Moran, Murphy: Lanarkshire. Durnan, Durnin, Kelly, Tully, McPhillips: Co Monaghan. McIntyre, McMahon, Tully: Co Cavan (?) Ireland. Moran: Co Mayo (?) Ireland. ..........and lots of Spanish name interests........ Census information Crown Copyright, www.nationalarchives.gov.uk |
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Ceeoh
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Hello
Haven't heard of Mary (Burnie) Porteous (wife of James) as Mary Jane previously - only Mary.
Parents - mother Mary Taylor, no father"s name - only (Mc) Burnie. Have not seen a birth for Mary Burnie or marriage for Mary Taylor and Burnie.
1881 census Mary Porteous 36 born Tundergarth (enumerator error?)
1891 Mary Porteous 46 born Kirkcudbright (then a word I cannot read) Crossmichael
1901 Mary Porteous 56 ditto ditto ditto
If Mary Jane (the 2 year old in 1871) is Mary Jane Morton in 1871 (with her grandmother) is this the same child as Mary Jane Burnie born 3 May 1868?
What do we have now?
Mary Taylor, mother of Mary Burnie.
Mary Burnie mother of Mary Jane Burnie or Morton, (later Mary Jane Porteous).
Mary Burnie wife of James Porteous.
This is getting complicated it looks as if Mary Taylor was either married previously or had two illegitimate daughters.
The original data I was given was for the marriage of Mary Agnes McBurnie to James Porteous however the marriage date was the correct one 1 June 1871
As a matter of interest I have a death date for Mary Porteous (wife of James) as 5 May 1937 Auchencairn. Rerrick Parish. Kirkcudbright.
Thanks again for all this - it's fascinating.
Regards
Margaret
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