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Topic: Annie65115's Scavenger Hunt..Everyone Welcome To Join In. (Read 1209 times)
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Tephra
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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt, sorry I'm a bit late putting it up, I got caught up with other stuff.
Hope you can help with this, it looks a bit complicated, but I'm sure you'll be able to work it all out.
Good Luck and Good Hunting.
Barbara
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I’ve posted about this branch of my tree many times on the fora and had a lot of help so far. This might be my last attempt to glean as much help and suggestions as possible to try to tie things up.
My great-grandfather was unknown to my mother and myself until I started my research and although I’ve built up a picture of the family over about 100 years, I’m stuck both with their origins and what eventually became of my great-grandfather. So here goes! My hunt is for:
1. Joseph Kilner’s birthplace around 1789
2. Any deaths, marriages or census sightings for Joseph, his wife Elizabeth and daughters Harriet and Caroline between 1832 – 1861.
3. Anything about Thomas William Kilner between 1918 – 1947.
I’ve put alternative surname spellings in brackets where appropriate.
The first sighting of my KILNER family was in Enderby, Leicestershire, when Joseph Kilner, a batchelor and framework knitter m Elizabeth Hill in 1816 (IGI erroneously gives their names as Hilner and Will). I can find no other Kilners in Leicestershire at all at that time. Elizabeth’s family were from Enderby, but where did Joseph come from?
Joseph and Elizabeth had several children born in Enderby: Jane (1816); Rhoda (1818); Thomas (1820); Elizabeth (1822, died at a month old); Caroline (1823), and Harriet (1826). The youngest, Hiram, was baptised at St Margaret’s in Leicester in 1829; he died in Leicester 1832.
After 1832, Joseph, Elizabeth, Caroline and Harriet disappear. I cannot find any of them on the 1841 or 1851 censuses, and no mention of marriages for the girls. Joseph reappeared in Leicester Union Workhouse in the 1861 census. His age was given as about 72 and place of birth “unknown” (arrgghh!) He died in the workhouse in 1866 and was buried in a communal grave in Welford Rd (“Kilmer”).
So where were he and Elizabeth between 1832 and 1861? Did they go back to Joseph’s place of origin? (that’s my favourite theory!) or are they simply horribly misspelt on the census? When did Elizabeth die, and where? What about Caroline and Harriet, what became of them?
Of their other children, Jane married Charles Langham at St Margaret’s in 1833; I’ve no further sightings of her. Rhoda married John Kind in 1839; Rhoda is traceable (without John) on the censuses up to her death in 1877.
Thomas (I’ll call him Thos 1) married Mary Ann Hudson on 1.5.1841. Thomas and Mary were at Lewin St in 1841(“Kilney”) and 1851 (“Kelner”) but his parents aren’t with them or Rhoda. Mary Ann died in 1858 (buried as “Kilver”); Thomas and his new “wife” Eliza (but I don’t think they married) were in Wheat St (“Rilner”) in 1861. Thomas died in 1868 and shared a grave with Rhoda.
Thos 1 had a son, also Thomas (Thos 2!) born 1850. Thos 2 married Sarah Ann Jayes (b 1845, Leicester) in 1869. He and Sarah were in Wheat St in 1871 with William (born William Henry Jayes 1867) and baby Harriet, and in Lea St in 1881 with William (AKA Henry), Harriet, Lizzie (Elizabeth), Emma, Ann and Thomas (my gt-grandfather). Their last child, Florence, was born in 1883.
Thomas William Kilner, (Thos 3!) my gt-grandfather, married Eveline Holyland in Leicester in 1903. They had 2 daughters, Vera (1903) and Maud (1905). Soon after that, Thomas, who was a French polisher, left Leicester and the family. His brother William, also a French polisher, is in the 1906 Leic trade directory but Thomas isn’t. Thomas resurfaced in 1911, using the name William and lodging with a family in Nottingham; from there he enlisted into the army in 1915. His army discharge papers give a discharge address in Leicester (by this time both his parents and brother were dead; I don’t know if any of his sisters were still around, and he didn’t go back to his wife and children!). I can find nothing then until he died in 1947. I found him in the 1947 electoral role at Devonshire St, Leicester (but he wasn’t there in 1946); he seems to have been lodging there with a married couple, one of whom was the informant on the death certificate. There was another woman at the same address though I know nothing about her. He was buried at Gilroes cemetery, in a Common Grave. I presume he’s unlikely to have a headstone.
Frustratingly, a French polishing business in his name “& sons” appears in the Leic trade directories up to 1963! But where was he between 1918 – 1947? Did he really have any sons? Who ran his business after he died?
All help gratefully received – thankyou all in advance!
Other threads about this family:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322619.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,360308.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,322205.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,347917.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,337954.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,337629.0.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,351763.0.html
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Onley/Only/Olney In Islington.
Abbott In Islington
Wallwork In Bolton and Walkden
Lamb In Bolton and Ireland
Grundy In Bolton
Blackledge In Bolton
Osbaldeston ?? ??
Barnett in Islington
Binyon in Islington
Kitchen in Bolton
Parker in Bolton
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Annie65115
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Hello everyone
I'll be so chuffed if anyone can find any more info from this!
Apologies now for any duplication from prevcious threads; although I've added the links, should anyone want to see them, I don't think I've left out any cogent points, so please don't feel that you need to trawl through them all. I will do my best to answer any queries that aren't well explained int he above post.
I've got to go out for the afternoon but will be checking back eagerly when I'm home later!
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Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Dyer (Stathern, Leic, Notts, Yorks)
Kilner (Leic)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Leic)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Tidd (Grantham, Notts)
Hallam (Screveton)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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jaywit
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I see T W Kilner and Son French Polishers are listed in the phone book up to 1964. The last address given is 41 Copeland Road Birstall. Have you tried the electoral roll for that address in the 1960's?
Also there are Kilners in Leicester on 192.com Any thoughts on any of them?
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Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks, Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks, Steel Byfield Northants, Rogers Northants, Wheeler Oxon, Roberts Oxon, Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants, Maycock Northants, Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.
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Annie65115
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I did contact a Kilner from the phone book, currently living in Leic, but there was no link 
Haven't thought of trying the electoral register to a later date - good suggestion!
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Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Dyer (Stathern, Leic, Notts, Yorks)
Kilner (Leic)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Leic)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Tidd (Grantham, Notts)
Hallam (Screveton)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Spidermonkey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I'm going to confess to not having read through all your links, so apologies for any duplication of info.
Have you seen the divorce papers from Thomas WIlliam Kilner and Evelyn Kilner in 1914 National Archives Catalogue Reference J77/1164/5384
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jaywit
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Got to be a bit careful here but, there are 2 Kilner births in Leicester in the 1930's one male one female. When I look for the marriage to match up it took place in Lancashire and the groom was Thomas L Kilner.
Any thoughts on this?
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Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks, Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks, Steel Byfield Northants, Rogers Northants, Wheeler Oxon, Roberts Oxon, Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants, Maycock Northants, Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.
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Spidermonkey
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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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I think you were interested in finding out what happened to your gt grandfather's siblings.
In 1911, Florence is living with Sarah and William Underwood, but I think that in 1912 she marries Alfred V Franklin in Leicester Dec qtr 1912 7a 400. There is only one birth to Franklin, mmn Kilner and that is Clifford Franklin bn Jun qtr 1917 in Hunslet Yorks, and I believe he died in Jan 1985 in Leeds. Ancestry has an address for Clifford Franklin in the BT phone books up to 1972, he appears to be a baker in Leeds (Pudsey). Obviously no guarantee that this is the right Clifford Franklin!
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jaywit
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Toni In 1851 Reuben Kilner is lodging in Nottingham and he is a Framework Knitter, so you may have cracked this earliest Kilners
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toni*
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i don't know if this helps:~
The Presbyterian Church in Ireland serves the whole island, both North and South and, with a total membership of some 300,000 people in over 560 congregations, it is the largest protestant denomination in Northern Ireland.
The Presbyterian form of Christian faith is best described as 'Reformed' with its strong emphasis on the Sovereignty of God, the Kingship of Christ and the authority of the Bible.
The Church's corporate work is organised through members representation at local congregational level up to General Assembly which is the highest decision making body. It meets once a year under the chairmanship of the Moderator who is elected annually as the Church's principal public representative.
For more information on the Presbyterian Church in Ireland contact
The Information Office, Presbyterian Church in Ireland,
Church House, Belfast BT1 6DW, Northern Ireland
Tel: (028) 9032 2284 : Fax: (028) 9041 7301
Email: Info[at]PresbyterianIreland.org
(subsitute [at] for @)
taken from http://www.presbyterianireland.org/
also see here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_Ireland
& here
http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles. SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs 1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on There is no current treatment http://www.jtsma.org.uk/http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex Punnett-Sussex, Bear- Monkleigh |
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Spidermonkey
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Good one Toni*, think you might have cracked it!
In 1861, Reuben Kilner is 75 and in Nottingham Union Workhouse, Framework Knitter cotton hose. Born Dublin RG9; Piece: 2460; Folio: 105; Page: 9
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jaywit
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Toni
From the OP
Joseph and Elizabeth had several children born in Enderby: Jane (1816); Rhoda (1818); Thomas (1820); Elizabeth (1822, died at a month old); Caroline (1823), and Harriet (1826). The youngest, Hiram, was baptised at St Margaret’s in Leicester in 1829; he died in Leicester 1832.
The names like Hiram, Reuben, Rebeckah etc. are all old testament names ( often a nonconformist trait) and the first child named Jane?
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