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wrudge
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Hello All,
I'm hoping some of the experts here can point me in the right direction. I've hit a snag in my research and don't know where to go next. Here is what I have:
I started with my great great grandfather:
William Rudge (B 1858 - GRO Mar 1858 District:Berkhamsted Vol:3a Page:332)
(I ordered the certificate which gave me his parents names: John Rudge and Julia Barber)
John Rudge (B abt 1831 according to marriage cert)
Marries Julia Barber (18 Aug 1856 - GRO Sep 1856 District:Berkhampstead Vol:3a) I ordered this certificate which gave me John's father as Samuel Rudge and Julia's father as Mesech Barber (Deceased at time of marriage)
They have 2 other children besides my great great grandfather:
Samuel Edward (B 1856 - Possible GRO Dec 1856 District:Berkhamstead Vol:3a Page:202)
Ann Matilda (B 1860 - Possible GRO Jun 1860 District:Berkhamstead Vol:3a Page:3_5)
Now my question is this how can I get pre-1837 information and how can I confirm it. I do not have a solid birth date for John Rudge or location, but using some of the information and tips on this site I found the following information on familysearch.org (Batch # C010243):
Possible brother/sisters and John Rudge himself:
Edward Rudge
Male
Christening:
13 JUN 1813 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Thomas Rudge
Male
Christening:
10 SEP 1815 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Mary Rudge
Female
Christening:
16 NOV 1817 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Samuel Rudge
Male
Christening:
27 AUG 1820 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel
Mother: Mary
Joseph RUDGE
Male
Christening:
18 SEP 1825 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Ann Rudge
Female
Christening:
24 AUG 1828 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
JOHN RUDGE
Male
Christening:
27 FEB 1831 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Hannah Rudge
Female
Christening:
21 JUL 1833 All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: Samuel Rudge
Mother: Mary
Possible Marriage:
- International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 22 OCT 1856 Tring, Hertford, England
Spouse: John Gill
Possible GRO for Marriage:
Dec 1856 District: Berkhampstead Vol: 3a Page: 454
I did find this family in the 1851 England census but how do I know if it is my great great grandfathers family or the wrong John Rudge:
HO107/2084/576 p 41
I do see some similarities between occupations (Boatsman)
I also found this (using batch #M041791)
Samuel Rudge
Marries Mary Lighham (07 NOV 1809 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England) - could these be John Rudge's parents?
I'd really like to break the barrier into the 1700's and continue my research, but don't want to just make assumptions and go down the wrong paths.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
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Cathymjp
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Nellie Greatorex my grandmother aged 4
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Hi wrudge,
Welcome to Rootschat.
Have you tried any of the earlier census i.e . 1841 and 1851 to help confirm parents?
The family search records are very useful, but I always like to confirm the entries on the church registers held at the relevant County Records Offices. It can also be helpful to try to find if they have made a Will also. Sometimes tracing where families are buried can give valuable information off gravestones. Do you know the occupations for them.
Cathy 
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wrudge
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Hi Cathy,
The only early census I found was the 1851 census that shows:
Samuel Rudge 62 (1789) Boat Owner
Mary Rudge 56 (1795)
Thomas Rudge 36 (1815) Boatman Stafford West Bromwich
Samuel Rudge 34 (1817) Boatman Stafford West Bromwich
John Rudge 19 (1832) Boatman Stafford West Bromwich
Hannah Rudge 17 (1834) Stafford West Bromwich
Richard Hambidge 21 servant
John Gibbons 13 servant
Joseph Mason 15 servant
Jesse Hoult 16 servant
However I could not make out the birthplaces for Samuel or Mary.
The wedding certificate for John and Julia has John and Samuel both listed as Boatman.
Bill
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Cathymjp
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Nellie Greatorex my grandmother aged 4
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Hi Bill,
Having looked at the census could Samuel have been born in Sutton Warwick? The County appears to be put first followed by the actual town. Mary's looks as if it could be Holbury in Shropshire. It does look as if this family in 1851 could be who you looking for. Can't find them in 1841 at the moment though.
Cathy
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wrudge
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I'm afraid I'm from the States and don't know much about England geography. It hampers my research not knowing if towns/counties are near each other, but I will look into Sutton Warwick. Thanks for the help.
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Cathymjp
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Nellie Greatorex my grandmother aged 4
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Hi Bill,
Shropshire, Staffordshire and Warwickshire are in the centre of England. They are served by a very good canal network which would tie up with their occupations.
Cathy
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wrudge
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So it is possible that the marriage I had in the first post could be correct:
Samuel Rudge
Marries Mary Lighham (07 NOV 1809 Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England)
Looking at the records for Warwick I also found this christening for Samuel Rudge:
05 JUN 1789 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Thanks for the help again with the birthplaces, I had the census but didn't think to look at those.
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