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Silverlamp
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Could anyone help me with the marriage of my GG grandfather Thomas Cartwright?
In the 1851 census he is listed as a watchmaker/finisher aged 46, born in Coventry, living in Sovereign Place, St Michaels, Coventry with wife Harriet aged 35 (born Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, Flint) and children Henry (6), Fanny (3) and Ann (1) all born in Coventry; and unmarried sister Mary Lingford (24).
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trish1120
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Welcome to Rootschat Silverlamp 
The only marriage with both a Harriet and Thomas Cartwright I can find is not til 1849.
Thomas CARTWRIGHT
December 1849
Aston 16 412
On same page Harriet BRYAN ( sounds welsh to me  )
EDIT; Bit confused as 1851 census has Harriett born Coventry 
Trish
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Silverlamp
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Many thanks for the information and the welcome Trish.
Sorry for the confusion - the 1851 census shows Thomas married to Harriet; the 1861 census shows them living in St John's, Coventry and gives Harriet's birthplace as Welshpool. I suppose it's possible (but seems unlikely) that Thomas was married to two different Harriets at those dates.
I searched FreeBMD but could only find marriages involving Thomas Cartwright and Harriet in Kings Norton; one in 1850 (Harriet Withers on the same page) and another in 1851 (Harriet Louisa Choice). The Aston marriage with Harriet Bryan that you found is another possibility.
Most of my ancestors come from Stoke on Trent; Mary Frances, a daughter of Thomas and Harriet, is my great grandmother. Interestingly the 1871 census shows her as Mary FC Owen (b. Coventry), the adopted daughter of James Owen (b. Bradely(sic) Staffs) and his wife Fanny (b. Welshpool), along with two older siblings listed as nephew/niece with surname Cartwright, living in Hartshill, Newcastle under Lyme. In the 1861 census while living with her parents in Coventry she's simply Mary; perhaps the Frances came from this period living as the adopted daughter of her aunt Fanny (the C is surely Cartwright).
I suppose my next move is to research Harriets born in Welshpool around 1816 to try to find a match.
Simon
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trish1120
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Hi again,
I will look at this again tomorrow night if no one else has helped you by then. Quite a puzzle you have
Off to bed soon, its late here in Australia.
Unless I have got the wrong 1861 Census it shows Harriett as just born Wales only.
Children;
Ann, 11 born 1850
Thomas, 9 born 1852
Phoebe, 7 born 1854
Harriett, 5 born 1856
MARY, 2 born 1859
1851 census has extra children Henry 5 born 1845, Fanny aged 3 born 1848
Cheers,
Trish
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cello
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1871 C
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trish1120
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Marriage;
James OWEN
September 1845
Shrewsbury 18 197
On same page Ann CARTWRIGHT
Ann is often changed to Fanny
Possible deaths;
Harriet CARTRIGHT, December 1862, W Bromwich, 6b 412
Thomas CARTRIGHT, September 1870, Coventry, 6d 273, age 67 ( born c 1803)
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cello
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Just to add to the confusion:
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1841 Census
I can't find any useful deaths on FBMD for an Amelia Cartwright before 1851, but maybe the marriage to Hariet in 1849 is correct and it is his second marriage.
Who was Mary Lingford on the 1851 census - sister-in-law??
A Mary Lingford was married in the June 1853 Q on FBMD.
Cello
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trish1120
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Great find Cello 
Only Amelia Cartright daeth I can find between 1841 and 1849 possible second marriage is;
Amelia CARTRIGHT, March 1846, Northampton, 15 215
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cello
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Hi Trish
Well done.
By my calcs it is 3 am in Sydney!!! and you have made quite a few posts today - saw you on some others. Do you ever sleep???
My internet keeps dropping out so will log back in later.
But I think probably both Henry and Fanny could be from first marriage to Amelia. I will keep looking for Henry. Found a possible birth for him in Dec Q 1846 at Stoke-On-Trent, but nothing in Coventry.
Maybe Amelia's or Harriet's surname was Lingford and Mary Lingford is his sister in law?
Sweet dreams!
Cello
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cello
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Summary of Children:
Henry Cartwright b. ~ 1845 - poss. Sep Q 1844 Birmingham District[/font]
Fanny Cartwright b. Dec Q 1847 Coventry District
Ann Cartwright b. Dec Q 1849 Coventry District
Thomas Cartwright b. Dec Q 1851 Coventry District
Phoebe Cartwright b. Dec Q 1853 Coventry District
Harriett Cartwright b. Dec Q 1856 Coventry District
Mary Cartwright b. Mar Q 1859 Coventry District
Simon, Can you add any more exact dates for these births, particulary for Fanny, Ann and Thomas as it would be good to try and pinpoint where a possible first wife may have died, and which child was born to which wife, if there were two wives.
If we assume that Henry was born Jul/Aug/Sep 1844
and that Amelia died Jan/Feb/Mar 1846
and Fanny was born Oct/Nov/Dec 1847
AND that they did the 'right' thing
Thomas and Harriett would have married between Apr 1846 and Mar 1847 - BUT I can't find them!!!
Cello
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cello
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Here is Henry on the 1861 C
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The Owen connection looks very good.
Cello
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cello
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Do you think this is Henry on the 1871 C
At: Francis Road, Edgbaston, Birmingham
County: Worcestershire
CARTWRIGHT, Henry Head M 26 1845 Clock Manufacturer, B'ham Warwickshire
CARTWRIGHT, Julianna Wife F 21 1850 County Durham Sunderland
LEONARD, Elizabeth Cousin F 14 1857 Scholar B'Ham Warwickshire
PARSONAGE, Elizabeth Servant F 23 1848 Worcestershire
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cello
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And if this is Henry in 1881 C he is now VERY successful!
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cello
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Henry in 1891C
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Hope his wife Julia liked his cousin Elizabeth (Lizzie) as she has now been with them for 20 years!!
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cello
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Here is Thomas (the son, born Dec Q 1851) on the 1881C
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