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Topic: Completed - Cartwright marriage Coventry area (Read 337 times)
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cello
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Trish
I think your death entry for Thomas is correct.
Thomas CARTWRIGHT
Date of burial: 15 Aug 1870, aged 67 (therefore born 1803)
Place of burial: Coventry
Dedication: London Road Civic Cemetery
County: Warwickshire
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cello
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This is getting rather difficult! 
Going back to the 1841 C where I found a Thomas Cartwright married to an Amelia, I have done a search on FBMD from Sep Q 1837 to Dec Q 1841 for marriages for Thomas Cartwright and the only ones I can find where an Amelia is also mentioned are as follows:
Sep Q 1837 - Stourbridge - Amelia Dalton
Dec Q 1837 - Dudley - Amelia Field
Sep Q 1839 - Stourbridge - Amelia Phibbs
Dec Q 1839 - London - Amelia Martin
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julieproctor61
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Trish
I think your death entry for Thomas is correct.
Thomas CARTWRIGHT
Date of burial: 15 Aug 1870, aged 67 (therefore born 1803)
Place of burial: Coventry
Dedication: London Road Civic Cemetery
County: Warwickshire
Cello
Hope you don't mind me adding this info
London Road Cemetery
square 114 Grave 87 purchased by Thomas Cartwright
Buried in the grave are (Cartwrights)
12/8/1857 fanny aged 9 Butts
15/8/1870 Thomas aged 67 Albion Street
21/2/1877 Annie 27 yrs Charles Street
4/6/1912 Thomas 60 yrs no address given
12/1/1921 Emma 72 yrs no addresss given
This seems to confirm that it is Thomas's death as he is buried with Son Thomas, his wife and possibly their daughter. I think Fanny aged 9 is also Thomas senior's daughter going on info on 1851 census.
Julie
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Spicer, Harris, Coventry
Huntley Wiltshire, Monmouthshire
Gardner Stoneleigh, Gloucestershire
Holmes, warwickshire
Cox, Daventry, Coventry, Rugby
Hales, Stockton, Southam
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cello
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Well done Julie.
So, by order of death we have:
Fanny (1847 - 1857, aged 9) daughter of Thomas (snr)
Thomas (snr) (1803 - 1870)
Annie (1850 - 1877, aged 27) daughter of Thomas (snr)
Thomas (jnr) (1851 - 1912) son of Thomas (snr)
Emma (1849 - 1921, aged 72) wife of Thomas (jnr)
BUT, neither of Thomas' (snr) wives, if we assume he had two - Amelia and Harriett.
Julie - any chance you could look for the two wives deaths. Amelia possibly died in late 1845 or early 1846.
Simon - I hope this is helping you and not duplicating what you already have.
If you can't find the baptism details for Henry and Fanny (which may solve the riddle of two different mothers) you might need to order the birth certificates, which will also give you the maiden names of the mothers.
Cello
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julieproctor61
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Hi cello
Sorry already looked for an amelia, she's not there, but my burial disc only covers burials from 1847.
Harriett is still alive and a widow in 1881 with daughter Phoebe in Charles Street, which ties in nicely with Annie's death in 1877 address Charles Street.
Julie
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Spicer, Harris, Coventry
Huntley Wiltshire, Monmouthshire
Gardner Stoneleigh, Gloucestershire
Holmes, warwickshire
Cox, Daventry, Coventry, Rugby
Hales, Stockton, Southam
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Silverlamp
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I just got back from a couple of days away, and couldn't believe the number of posts on this thread! Thank you all very much for all the trouble you have taken and the great information you've found.
Cello - in answer to your queries:
- I've only looked at census returns so far. Mary Lingford is listed as 'sister', which I took to mean sister-in-law. I looked for Lingford/Cartwright marriages but couldn't turn anything up; perhaps Thomas and Mary could actually be siblings born to different fathers.
- I haven't ordered any birth certificates yet, so I don't have any more details on birth dates. I think that this may be a next step.
The 1881 census find for Harriet and Phoebe is great - I wonder if Harriet is still around in the 1891 census (she would be abt. 75)? Perhaps she followed her children to Newcastle under Lyme.
Another great spot is finding Henry in the 1861 census with James Owen. It looks like the two families are related and the the Cartwrights are gradually farming out their children to the Owens.
Also good is finding Thomas and Phoebe living alone together in 1871 - I found a possible Harriet that year; monthly nurse (51) servant in the household of Edward Lynes GP of Holy Row, St John's, Coventry, which fits quite nicely (although she's knocked a couple of years off her age).
The clock factory owner Henry Cartwright is probably a false lead however. The 1881 census also lists a Henry Cartwright aged 31, puddler ironworks, nephew living with James and Frances Owen in Newcastle under Lyme (and Mary is there as well), so he looks more likely to be my relative.
The grave finding is very interesting - not least for who is not in it, particularly Thomas snr's wife Harriet.
Thomas's marriage(s) remain elusive.
This is making my head spin. I'll try to process all this additional information tomorrow. This stuff is addictive, isn't it?
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julieproctor61
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Hi
Can't seem to find Harriett in 1891 in Warwickshire.
Phoebe Cartright (no W) seems to have married in Coventry Dec Quarter 1881 to a Charles Villiers Pollard.
They are at 9 Brighton Terrace, Great Francis Street, Aston, Birmingham, both 37, with children Frances V aged 6, Elizabeth aged 4 and Ada aged 1. No sign of Harriett with them. Maybe she died between 1881 and 1891, or as you say moved to be with her other children.
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Spicer, Harris, Coventry
Huntley Wiltshire, Monmouthshire
Gardner Stoneleigh, Gloucestershire
Holmes, warwickshire
Cox, Daventry, Coventry, Rugby
Hales, Stockton, Southam
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Silverlamp
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Thanks Julie - that finding confirms part of a sketched family tree done several years ago by my fathers cousin, and passed to me after their deaths. I descend from William and Harriet through Mary who married George Stonier (but is in the marriage records as Stanier) in Stoke Sep 1885.
I found a possibility for Harriet Cartwright's death at the right age in Stoke, Mar 1889. If this is her, it would explain her absence from the 1891 census and why she's not buried with Thomas.
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Silverlamp
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An update - I ordered the birth certificate for Mary Cartwright, which gave her father as Thomas Cartwright, watch finisher, and mother as Harriet Cartwright, late Bryan, formerly White.
I then ordered the marriage certificate for Thomas Cartwright and Harriet Bryan, which supplied the further detail that both were widowed and living in Nechells Green. Thomas' father was John Cartwright, cordwainer, and Harriet's father was John White, butcher. Thomas' age was given as 44, and Harriet's as 30.
Simon
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