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Topic: BBC TV "WDYTYA?" Series 7 Episode #6: Martin Freeman (Read 2884 times)
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margaret103
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A rather unsatisfactory ending - what happened to Emily the second wife. Where did she dissapear to? If the professional Researchers can't find her what hope have the likes of us got?
Also why did Robert leave Worthing?
But a very interesting programme which was quite enlightening.
Margaret
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Spidermonkey
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Fascinating info about the syphilis - didn't realise it could 'work itself out'.
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lindylou2_2002
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A rather unsatisfactory ending - what happened to Emily the second wife. Where did she dissapear to? If the professional Researchers can't find her what hope have the likes of us got?
Also why did Robert leave Worthing?
But a very interesting programme which was quite enlightening.
Margaret
The syphilis thing was interesting, wonder if Richard also passed it through his other children from the earlier marrages as they said that some had died and some were unaccounted for.
Do you think they really searched for the marriage of Richard and the 3rd wife as it showed as a search on free bmd. Not going through the fiches. I do think that if people who are starting out watched and think if they cant find it on Freebmd it didn't happen, is a misleading.
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pjbuk007
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For me, one of the best because of the explanation and pics re 19th century congenital syphilis.
Have a death 1895 age 4/12 from congenital syphilis; current pathologists thought this unlikely but the expert from GOS revealed so much.
My saga re this was rather similar to his, so thrilled, as it explains what I thought was not possible.
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Springbok
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Really interesting, especially that she had been infected twice. Which possibly means that the father had caught it from one of his previous wives (or a caual encounter?)
I wonder if any of his earlier children had also suffered the same fate. ( I see that possiblity has already been mentioned!) occured .
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Viktoria
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Well it all too often didn`t! The tertiary stage often manifester itself in what was called General Paralysis of The Insane and meant sufferers were not of sound mind, it is a frightening thought that Randolph Churchill(Winston`s father ) was Foreign Secretary whilst in the tertiary stages with the associated mental health problems .
Aristocracy and society women expected to lose their first child at least because when they married their husbands were in the active stage of the disease ,by the second child the birth was premature and the third child often survived .It was a great tragedy that many women whose husbands infected them were blamed for these losses and their subsequent inability to conceive .The wife of Prince Rudolph( ,who committed suicide (or did he?) with his mistress at Mayerling)was unable to conceive because she was infected by him and was shunned at the Austrian court because of that when it was not her fault -but little was understood in those days. The disease could lie "dormant" for many years and then manifest itself in later life as G.P.I . It really could pre peniciilin days be passed down the generations. Getting Biblical now! ! !
We had to do a good bit of work on it in one of my jobs as we had to recognise babies born with it . They have a different cry and the bridge of their nose is flattened, they look rather wizened and the ear shape can be pixie-like . Poor little lambs. Viktoria. now!!
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Spidermonkey
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Perhaps the 1911 census hadn't come on line when the researchers were doing their stuff, but there is an Emily Freeman bn 1857 Petworth in East Preston district (the district Tarring comes under I think)
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lindylou2_2002
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Really interesting, especially that she had been infected twice. Which possibly means that the father had caught it from one of his previous wives (or a casual encounter?)
I wonder if any of his earlier children had also suffered the same fate. ( I see that possibility has already been mentioned!) occurred .
An hour wasn't enough for this search
Spring
Could it also be the cause of His blindness, maybe if we go back over his family there will be big gaps of children born and dying young. Maybe they both brought it through both the lines.
Was quietly amused by how many children he had over his many wives.
My husband is the eldest of 7 and his mother is also Blind. Always joked it was a form of hobby she could get involved in with out being sighted.
(also Dorton house Blind school is a lovely as it looks. My 2 sighted children have private swimming lessons there every week. Mother in law should have gone there in the 50s but her mother wanted her home for weekends and the school wouldn't allow it only home at the end of term. They do now though. Katie Prices Son goes there too so they have had a fair bit of publicity over the last few years too.) sorry totally off topic just thought you might like some more info 
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Gillg
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My gt-grandparents lost 5 out of their 9 children - 4 in a row either stillborn or up to a few months old, then a girl who survived and then another lost child. This would be in the 1870s. The fact that around 10% of the population would have been suffering from syphilis at that time is startling.
There's never been any mention of syphilis in family legend (well, there wouldn't be, would there  ), nor of blindness, but after watching this programme I'm beginning to wonder whether I should be sending for some death certificates for those lost children.
Gt-grandfather was a pillar of the Strict & Particular Baptist Church, but maybe he wasn't strict or particular enough. 
Gillg
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Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.ukFAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, CHURCH, BENSON from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts; Burnley, Lancs; New Zealand, Australia & US. HURST, BOLTON, BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs. |
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lindylou2_2002
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Perhaps the 1911 census hadn't come on line when the researchers were doing their stuff, but there is an Emily Freeman bn 1857 Petworth in East Preston district (the district Tarring comes under I think)
Does she have any children living with her? I dont have acess to the 1911 census at the moment. Maybe the third marriage was not legal.
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Berk:White, Turner,Parsons
Beds:Channer
Camb:Claydon,Hazelwood,King, Claiden,Forman, Collins
Essex:Sigger/s,Cook
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lindylou2_2002
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Gt-grandfather was a pillar of the Strict & Particular Baptist Church, but maybe he wasn't strict or particular enough. Gillg
LOL they said that lots of people just didnt know.
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Berk:White, Turner,Parsons
Beds:Channer
Camb:Claydon,Hazelwood,King, Claiden,Forman, Collins
Essex:Sigger/s,Cook
Hampshire: Voller
Kent: Busbridge,Fletcher,Fowtrell,Hall,Payne,Saunders,Souton
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millymcb
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I really liked this programme - it reminded me more of the original programmes which centred more on the research journey and less on a history lesson.
I also wondered about the missing marriage certificate for Richard and Ada. I can't imagine they did not go through the Marriages page by page (although I am tempted to have a look myself) but agree they could have made that clearer.
I also questioned the six alive and six died calculation as in their family tree diagram they were including Phillip as one of the six from "this" marriage although they knew he was from the marriage to Fanny. i wondered if whoever filled in the form for Richard and Ada in 1911 misunderstood or did it wrong. Perhaps the other two children who died were actually those from his earlier marriage (as referred to earlier in the programme). Possibly not - but just a thought
But very interesting about the Syphalis - I didn't know that. Would be interesting to see what Ada's parents died of.
Also - I can't remember which of his wives they had a death certificate for. What did his second wife die of and how does that fit in time-wise with his mysterious demise as the church organist? Maybe there was some scandal?
Yes - lots of questions for Rootschatters to dig into.... 
Milly
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LizzieW
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General Paralysis of The Insane and meant sufferers were not of sound mind
My great, great uncle died of that. He had 3 wives, but as far as I have found out so far, no children who died. I'll have to research further but as he had a common name and his first marriage was in 1876, 2nd in 1887 and third in 1896 there would be too many children born during that time with his surname to know which were his.
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