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Topic: William White Lighterman Port Chalmers and wife Anne nee McNeill (Read 928 times)
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bellbird
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Afternoon fellow kiwis, I am trying to find the bmd for the above two folk, my great grandparents. I have been told he arrived in NZ in 1861 but other than his death 4/8/1871 I have been unable to find anything other than a possible bankruptcy. I have found a reference for Anne McNeill Marriage in 1861 but no info on who her husband was. However the dates would add up. The birth dates for them I have been given are 1841 for William and 1844 for Anne. I have been unable to trace them in Scotland. Their first child a daughter Agnes was born in December 1865, then William November 1867 and lastly my grandmother Lily born February 1870. Anne predeceased William and died March 1871 and was buried in an unmarked grave in Old Port Chalmers Cemetery (shared I believe). Any help or contact with reles would be much appreciated. BELLBIRD
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althea
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Hi
Looking at old thread and this
just to confirm have you got the birth certs for all children, just wondering in terms of fathers occupation
the marriage ref you said for 1861, was that NZ or Scotland
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Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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althea
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Is Ann ?husband of the William we are looking for,
IF its not these or in NZ, did they arrive married?
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Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Lucy2
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Looking at old thread and this
just to confirm have you got the birth certs for all children, just wondering in terms of fathers occupation
Bellbird
Althea makes a good point about verifying the occupation of the father.
We know from the newspaper article about the death of Ann WHITE in March 1871, that her husband was a lighterman.
But was William in this same occupation at an earlier date - i.e. back in 1865 when his first child was born ?
How do you know with certainty, that the William WHITE, Sea Captain, died August 1871, was the the same person, as William WHITE, the lighterman ?? [Unfortunately there is such limited information available on a death record from this era, that perhaps the only thing that might connect this William with Ann, is if they died at the same address ?]
* What happened to the children after their mother died ?
* Were they put into an orphanage, if so, have you found any records of same ?
Lu
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bellbird
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Hi folks, boobed again, I put the reply to your responses on the wrong site, it went on to William and Ann/Anne White site by mistake. Blame that second brain injury   
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bellbird
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Hi Folks Been onto NZ BMD board and in 1871 3 William Whites died, what intrigues me is that all three have numbers consectively i.e. 1871/2626, 1871/2627 and 1871/2628. Hope to get time to look at this over the weekend and see if there is any info that will help identify which is my William. Hopefully I don't have to work!!!!!!!!. BELLBIRD
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althea
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One is aged 30 and buried Shortland Cemetery Thames, North Island
Southern cemetery burial aged 30
and a death rego for Dunedin no age given (this could be the previous pperson?
(From NZSG burial locator)
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Althea
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Pascoe, Williams, Rowe, Matthews, Eddy: St Just-in-Penwith, St Keverne, Cornwall. Varcoe, Collicoat, Chapman: Roche area,Cornwall Cornes & Graham: Ireland/Shropshire, Barker, Palin: Shropshire McDougall, Morren: Ireland, Earl, Redgen, Steward: Suffolk Info: Thames, New Zealand Genealogy Resources: http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.htmlNZSG Mem#18951 CFHS Mem#13723 Info: Breage, Germoe & Godolphin Cornwall : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~althea/index.html |
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Lucy2
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Hi Bellbird
 Intriguing, certainly. And how jolly annoying is this new numbering system adopted by NZ BDM ?
I'm not sure if you were planning to purchase the death printout for William WHITE, but just thought I should make you aware, that in 1871, only very limited information was recorded for deceased persons.
NZ DEATHS - prior to 1876
* Where and When died
* Name and Surname
* Sex
* Age
* Rank or profession
* Cause of death
* Description and residence of Informant to death
* When registered (date) - signature (or name) or Registrar
[So essentially all you would get for William WHITE died 1871, and which you don't already know, is > * the address (hopefully) at which he died ... * the cause of his death ... and the name and address of the informant. ] 
Lu
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Lucy2
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Hi again Bellbird
If this were me seeking details about William WHITE, then I would be much more inclined towards purchasing the Bankruptcy file held at Archives New Zealand (Dunedin Office). 
WHITE - William - Port Chalmers - Lighterman - 1871
[Dunedin Bankruptcy Files (first series) ]
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/
[For file reference number > type "William White" in search box ... the record can be found on page 8 ]
As I mentioned in the previous thread, usually these bankruptcy files carried information about the personal circumstances of the insolvent. (The file may also assist in telling, whether "William WHITE - lighterman" has died during the year of 1871 ? )
Lu
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