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Topic: Beverley and area Births for Scott (Read 235 times)
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Paml
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Does anyone have access to the Parish Registers for Beverley, Yorkshire. For years I have been looking for the birth of my great grandmother - Martha Ann Scott who always gave her birth as Patrington, Yorks - about 1850. Her father was James Scott and I believe I have found him in various census, living in the Kingston upon Hull district, though born Ottringham. There is no record of Martha on the census before 1871 when Martha Ann is working as a school assistant with her uncle [named Brown] at Giggleswick School. Having just downloaded the 1911 census to find her in Bath [moved due to husband's association with the railways] I find she now gives her birth as 1851 Beverley.
As I have ordered a number of certificates in error hoping for them to be the right one I would be grateful for any help.
Pam
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Tati
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Hi Pam,
I did a 1851 census search for a Martha born ca. 1850 Patrington and the only one that pops up is a Martha Smith, in the workhouse with her mother Ann Smith and brother Edward.
Here they are, 10 years later - note mum's surname!
1861
RG9/3581 100 14
Sculcoates, Yorkshire
6 Johnson Sq
Ann Scott, head, wid, 41, Charwoman, b. Winestead
Edward Smith, son, 12, Chain Maker, b. Patrington
Martha Smith, dau, 11, b. Patrington
Thomas Smith, brother, wid, 27, Ag lab, b. Ross?
Child Scott, 6 days, b. Hull
Makes you wonder ...
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Paml
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Hi Tati.
Thanks for your reply. I read it soon after you posted it but have been frantically searching census records, free BMD and the IGI to verify or disprove the information I already had.
This certainly looks intriguing and certainly I have not been able to find a connection with the uncle before although he was certainly born Roos! The thing is I know that on her marriage certificate Martha Ann does name her father as James Scott, Labourer.
On the 1841 census I found James Scott, 35 labourer, born 1805 Ottringham with Mary[ I think Applelby, 1806, married 1835 Sculcoates, registration, and James [Jane] aged 1, living Harthill, East Sculcoates.
1851 census shows James as general labourer, living with Mary his wife, and Elizabeth 8 and James A, 4.
In 1861 they are still there but only James A, aged 15 remains with them. By 1871 James and Mary are living in the workhouse, he is working as a docks labourer.
Your findings all add up - I have on the 1841 census, a Smith family living with their widowed mother Mary, in Roos - Bessy, Esther, John [aged 12], Mary and Thomas aged 7, born 1834. I believe them to be the children of John Smith and perhaps Mary Ann Timmus.
There is an Ann Smith born 06 MAY 1819 Winestead, Yorkshire, England, daughter of John and Mary which fits in very well.
If this is so can you suggest what the Scott connection is?
Many, many thanks for your help
Pam
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Paml
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Well, what also adds up is that Martha Ann Scott suddenly appears in 1871 living with her uncle John Smith - and I guess this would have been one way of getting out of the workhouse. If so it's amazing that part of the family is in the workhouse while another is doing very nicely working as school teachers and assistants! Many thanks for your help. Do you think that the other James Scott I found in Sculcoates was a red herring?
Pam
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Paml
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Thanks for all your help. I really think that your research has identified the correct family. It all ties in so well. I have found Ann Smith, probable mother of Martha, on the 1841 census living in Roos, working as a servant.
I have been looking for 20 years so in one afternoon your detective work seems to have solved the problem.
Again, thanks so much
Pam
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Paml
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I will keep looking and checking. I did find another Martha Smith born Roos 1850, the daughter of James Smith and Mary Ann smith with a sister Jane Elizabeth. All very confusing but I think the 1871 census and the relationship of neice and uncle will eventually help prove one way or another.
I noticed the uncle John Smith was a schoolmaster in Giggleswick on the 1851 census, then in 1861 was married to a Mary, born Rindwell, then in 1871 he has married Caroline Elston [1870 Patrington district] having been widowed.
In fact he married the house servant who had been working at the school in 1861. In 1871 Martha gives her name only as Martha - it is only on her marriage certificate and later censuses that she adds the Ann.
If I ever sort this lot out I will let you know!
Pam
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Paml
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Hi Tati
Just to let you know I have done lots of cross checking. Firstly I found Ann Smith working in 1841 as a servant in Roos. There is no record of her after 1861 - looked for Ann Scott and Smith, although there is an inmate in the lunatic asylum who matches her birth date - however, as she is married and wife of seaman I don't think this is her. There are a number of deaths for both Ann Scott and her brother Thomas so I think they both died before 1871.
There are no appropriate matches in censuses or marriage indexes for a Martha Smith after 1861, so I think we can safely say that Martha Scott was in fact Martha Smith.
I found her brother Edward working as a farm servant in 1871 in Skeffling - which is in the immediate area.
By the way, the Martha Smith I found yesterday - in above posting was ten years out. I had got my maths wrong!
I think I will take this as my family - so thanks again!
Pam
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Paml
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I am member of ancestry and followed your link - You are certainly right with the 1881. When I typed in the dates, and place of Birth Roos for Thomasin the 1871 I was only offered two options - John Smith in Giggleswick and Hannah E Smith.
Do you know how I get to RG10/4780 24 42) on ancestry myself ? I bought up the 1871 census then put the reference in the 'More' column, plus his name, date of birth and 'Roos' for place of birth. That's why I must have missed him the first time I searched the 1871 census.
Now I'll be looking for more of the family.
Pam
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Paml
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Ah, now I understand why I could not find him - they had him down as born Road, not Roos!
Many thanks again for your help. I am making the most of the last week of the summer holidays. Next week back to teaching and then it will be evenings only when I can fit in some time!
Regards Pam
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