Silverlamp
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Could anyone help me find my GG grandfather James Bourne. I've found him in the all the censuses from 1861 onwards.
In the 1861 census he is a potter aged 29 living at Henry Street, Tunstall with wife Mahala (nee Cook) and children Sarah E (5) and Ann M (9mo)(my great grandmother) and a house servant Caroline Cooper (12).
I'm hoping that the 1851 census (and maybe even 1841) will show who his parents are.
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Silverlamp
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Sorry - I should have said that the censuses show him as born in Tunstall.
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Silverlamp
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Thanks Past Master. I've found their marriage on the Staffordshire BMD and will order it.
added - 1851 at St John, Burslem
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ah - earlier than expected !
Marriages Sep 1851
Cook Mahala Wolstanton 17 318
and only 3 male names on the FREEBMD page yet transcribed - thank goodness for Local RO's 
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hmmm, does she call herself Martha in 1851 ?
HO107/2002; Folio: 652; Page: 11 - Tunstall (Wolstanton District)
16, King Street
Parents Joseph & Margaret ?
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yet another 1851 candidate for James - altho born c1829 'Pitts Hill', Staffs
HO107/2002; Folio: 379; Page: 8 - Wolstanton
Parents James and Eve
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Silverlamp
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Thanks Past Master and Willow.
Past Master - I haven't found her in 1851, but in 1841 there is a Mahala daughter of William and Thirza (Thurza) in Brook St, Longport, Burslem.
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
This looks like Mahala in 1851,
1851 HO107/2003 f.42 p.29 Burslem
Upper Brook Str
William COOK Head Wid 66 Potter Printer Staff Swinnerton
Harry Son Un 30 Potter P?? Staff Burslem
Mahala Daur Un 23 Dress Maker " "
Ralph Son Mar 32 Potter Turner " "
Hannah Daur-in-law Mar 25 " " Asst " "
Emma G.Daur 3m " "
Mahala BYRNE G.Daur 8 " "
Also a possible for James,
James BOURNE
Birth: 15 SEP 1831
Christening: 07 JUL 1833 Primitive Methodist, Tunstall By Stoke Upon Trent
Father: Thomas BOURNE
Mother: Sarah ORWELL
1841 HO107/993/20 f.29 p.10 Wolstanton
Clay Hill, Tunstall
BOURNE
Thomas 30 Potter
Sarah 30
James 10
David 5
Matilda 5
Pamela 2 All born in County
1851 HO107/2002 f.598 p.49 & f.599 p.50 Wolstanton
Town: Tunstall
The Plecks
BOURNE
Thomas Head 48 Potter Fireman Staffordshire Tunstall
Sarah Wife 35 " Handford
James Son 19 Potter Warehouseman " Tunstall
David Son 17 " Packer " "
Matilda Daur 16 Staffordshire Tunstall
Mary Daur 9 Scholar " "
Thomas Son 7 " " "
Pamela Daur 5 " " "
William BURTON Lodger Un 28 Iron Truck? " Stanton
It looks like the older Pamela died, and her sister was named after her,
Death
Pamelia BOURN Dec Q 1844 Wolstanton 17 196
Birth
Pemelia BOURNE Sep Q 1846 Wolstanton 17 263
Regards
Daisy
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excellent work - esp with the tran' error being in the first 3 chars, and the age also wrong for Mahala !
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Silverlamp
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Daisy - that's fantastic - just what I was hoping for. Thanks very much for your time and trouble, and I'm full of admiration for your sleuthing.
I've ordered the marriage certificate for James and Mahala, which I hope will confirm Thomas as James' father. If so, it takes me back another generation.
There seems to be a wide variation in the reported ages of the Bourne family between the 1841 and 1851 censuses - would that be unusual?
I wonder if Mahala Byrne is Thirza's daughter? If so, it could explain her absence.
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Daisypetal
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Hi,
The ages in the 1841 census should have been rounded down to the nearest five for everyone under 15, but maybe they did it for the children as well to 5. I've seen all sorts on the 1841   It doesn't explain the age difference for Thomas and Sarah, maybe they just wanted to close the age gap
At the moment I can't find Thirza nor any other reference to Mahala BYRNE, I'll have a look tomorrow wheb I have more time, unless someone finds them first
Daisy
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