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Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« on: Tuesday 25 August 09 09:42 UTC (UK) »



Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt.........It looks like a really interesting one, taking us from the UK to Australia, back to UK and then to the U.S. Phew.........it's tiring just thinking about it.    Have fun.

Good Luck and Good Hunting.

Barbara

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Duncan Dunbar Tatham was born 20th March 1824 to Poplar surgeon Christopher Tatham and his first wife, Justina Dunbar Tatham.  Justina was the sister of Duncan Dunbar II, a shipping magnate who was apparently the Ari Onassis of the time.  DDT was the second child of three, and the only son.  According the "The Times", it seems that, as a young man, he was involved in a scuffle with some felonious types - the newspaper reports indicate they tried to rob him whilst he was in the company of a young lady ... the felons claimed they were trying to blackmail him, because said young lady had removed her bonnet (scandalous!) in DDT's company.

Whatever the reason or cause, DDT then shows up in Australia.  I believe he sailed on the "King William", arriving in Melbourne on the 12th September 1851.  He worked as a shipping clerk with connections to his Uncle Duncan's firm ... until he, reportedly, passed a couple of letters of credit on Uncle Duncan ... for which he had no authority!  Needless to say, his employment with the family firm seems to have ceased at this point.

The next we hear of him, he was married to Mary Ann Judd at St Peter's church in Melbourne on the 7th June 1853.  In 1854, their daughter Justina was born at Chiltern, Victoria, ... and in 1856 they had a son, Duncan John Tatham.  By this time, they were living in Geelong, and DDT was employed as a warder/turnkey at Geelong Gaol.  However in 1857, his wife Mary Ann died.  And this is where it gets strange.

There seems to be no trace of DDT after Mary Ann's death.

The two children were reportedly retrieved from Australia by their Aunt Phoebe, and taken back to "Blighty" aboard a Dunbar ship captained by one of DDT's uncles.  As it was a Dunbar ship, we suspect the trip was a "family freebie", and records weren't kept precisely.  We have found two Tatham children aboard a Dunbar ship, however their names were given as Elizabeth and John ... still not sure they're our babes.  Back in England, Justina Tatham was taken in by Aunt Phoebe, and baptised at the age of 8 in Hatfield, Herts.  Sadly, Justina died in 1870 aged just 16.

Duncan John was taken in by his grandfather and step-grandmother, Elizabeth Gordon Tatham.  He was sent to a good boarding school in Kent, and around the time he left school, he inherited some money from the estate of his half-uncle Christopher.  This, too, is interesting, because a codicil on the Will directs that he will be disinherited if he ever signs any of the money over to anyone else; - is this a clue that DDT was still alive?

Next, Duncan John shows up in Laramie City, Wyoming, on the 1880 US Census.  He was working as a bartender and living in the home of a Mr Ivinson (the house is still standing, and a local tourist attraction, I believe).

But after 1880 there's no sign of Duncan John ... until a D J Tatham appears on the manifest of the "Port Henderson", which sailed from Kingston Jamaica to Avonmouth, Bristol, in December of 1910.

Is it possible these two fellows can be found??  I'm only one of a conglomeration of distant cousins, who'd love to know what happened to them!

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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 09:56 UTC (UK) »

Wow this is a tricky one. I have rellies who've travelled to various parts but there are some serious movements here.

Will have a look
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:00 UTC (UK) »




Give yourself a pat on the back, you've beaten Toni and Lesanne this week.      Grin Grin

It does bounce about a bit doesn't it, but it makes it more interesting.    Wink

Barbara
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:06 UTC (UK) »

shes here shes here i know shes here cos i am she!

(love that line)

I have no knowledge of searching Aus  Roll Eyes

maybe DDT stopped getting into trouble once his wife died! maybe he became very depressed and thus the children had to go and stay with other family ?
a lots of maybes but was trying to say there are lots of possible solutions to the problem and maybe he didnt actually die.


sometimes there is no definite proof and you have to go with the coincidenes, the elizabeth and John Tatham aboard the Dunbar ship did they travel alone? where was Aunt Pheobe at this time?

maybe Christopher just wanted he Dunbar fortune to be kept in the Dunbar family and not sigend over to someone else it doesnt necessarily mean that DDT was still alive.

will see what i come up with





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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:11 UTC (UK) »

DDT appears in this book
The coins of the British Commonwealth of Nations to the end of the reign of ...‎ - Page 120
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SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
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NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:12 UTC (UK) »

Have you seen this?
http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/answers/answers-2009/ans9-012-brown.htm

doesnt really help - but another link with Aunty Phoebe
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:21 UTC (UK) »

is this Phoebe ?

Marriages Mar 1847   Poplar  2 287   
 
Askie  Thomas    (London  2 287 )   
Askie  Thomas     (London W  2 287)   
Brown  William Smith     
HAZEL  William James       
KANE  George     
PAULEY  Joseph     
Ritchie  Sophia       
STEEL  Kate       
Tatham  Phoebe         
YOUNG  Mary Elizabeth     
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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles.
SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear- Monkleigh
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:23 UTC (UK) »

The National Archives | The Catalogue | BrowseAppellant: Phoebe Tatham. Respondent: Harry Tatham. Type: Wife's petition for divorce [WD]. ... 1929. first page . previous page Previous | Next next page ...
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/.../browser.asp?CATID...

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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles.
SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear- Monkleigh
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 10:24 UTC (UK) »

Pheobe is mentioned here

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~akrb61/people/wray/d12.htm

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Spinal Muscular Atrophy -SMA is a neuromuscular condition causing weakness of the muscles.
SMA is the biggest genetic killer of children under the age of 2 yrs
1 in 40 of you carry the gene that passes this conditon on
There is no current treatment
http://www.jtsma.org.uk/
http://www.petitiontocuresma.com/


NOTHING IS AS IT SEEMS

Holman & Vinton- Cornwall, Wojciechowskyj & Hussak- Bukowiec & Zahutyn, Bentley & Richards- Leicester, Taylor-Kent/Sussex  Punnett-Sussex,  Bear- Monkleigh
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 11:53 UTC (UK) »

Probably a minor thing, but ancestry has Justina being baptised in Walthamstow, Essex not Hatfield, Herts
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 12:07 UTC (UK) »

There's a Duncan Tatham coming up on Australian electoral rolls for 1901-1936, but as I don't have ancestry worldwide, I'm afraid that I can't check for you
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 12:31 UTC (UK) »

Hi everyone, and thank you for taking part  Kiss

Toni, the Phoebe Tatham mentioned in regard to a divorce is not our Phoebe, I'm afraid (I had found that one a while back) - that one would have been a Tatham by marriage, where ours was born a Tatham, and only ever married to  Mr Brown.  It was, I believe, Phoebe travelling as "Mrs Brown" who accompanied the children back to England - will check my notes again to be doubly sure.

Thank you for that link - thanks also to Lizdb for her one - I hadn't found either of them before!

Oo-er ... second edit  Embarrassed ... the half-uncle Christopher from whom Duncan John inherited money ... was his half-uncle Christopher Tatham (son of surgeon Christopher and Elizabeth Gordon Tatham) ... so no connection to the Dunbar estate.

The Duncan Tatham who comes up on the electoral rolls is the right fellow, ... but the entry is a glitch; - I found him via the local Library's Ancestry link.  The date for his voter registration was actually 1856, from memory, so no idea how it found its way in amongst the 1901-1936 rolls  Huh

All your help sincerely appreciated,

Deb
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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 August 09 12:47 UTC (UK) »

Oh dear, forgot something again  Embarrassed

Yes, Spidermonkey, Justina was baptised at Walthamstowe - I mis-read my (scribbled!) notes and missed a line!

And yes, that's her marriage, found by Toni.  Would love to find a copy of that book on the coins, incidentally; I believe Uncle Christopher Tatham is mentioned in a book about trade medals or something similar, in Ceylon/Sri Lanka.

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Re: Deb D's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 15:48 UTC (UK) »

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,62599.msg253691.html#msg253691

This is the June 2005 Challenge which we had fun trying to sort. Everyone in anyway connected to The Dunbar Dynasty.

Which one blew up Sydney with the dynamite storehouse....  Tongue
Another came to Sussex, Lancing College....  Wink

Whatever happened to Claude....   Tongue  Roll Eyes  Tongue
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 28 August 09 08:44 UTC (UK) »




Trust you Lesanne to find something blowing up.......     Grin Grin Grin
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