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Topic: Samuel Wells and second wife Agnes Carlyle (Read 581 times)
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85jbk
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Samuel Wells and Agnes Carlyle, second wife, married ? had three children
1. Margaret BC 1813..Middliebie...Died 1821
2. James Carlyle wells born 31 December 1822 Middliebie...Died 14 December 1890, Benalla, Victoria, Australia.
3. Samuel wells, BC1826.
Looking to try and open up the line on both Samuel Wells senior and Agnes Carlyle. Dont know the names of both sets of parents for the two.
Also what happened to their son Samuel Wells?
Can you help?
Regards Jill
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Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis- Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick
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CaroleW
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Barney 1993-2005
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1841 census for Middlebie - all b Dumfries
Samuel Wells 55 shoemaker
Mary 30
Samuel 15
John Smith 12
Peter Wells 2
Middlebie ED 5 Page 2 Line 1200
In 1851 - Samuel jnr is in lodgings in Midlothian - occ journeyman shoemaker
Kirkliston ED 1 Page 8 Line 9
1851 for Middlebie - all b Middlebie except Isabella
John S Wells 21 plate layer
Isabella 24 b Annan
Samuel S 8 Months
Mary 42 mother
Peter 12 brother
Agnes 3 sister
Middlebie ED 3 Page 6 Line 23
Just a thought - could the John Smith on the 1841 census be John Smith Wells?
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CaroleW
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1861 for Kirkliston Linlithgowshire West Lothian - children all b Kirkliston
Samuel Wells 35 b Middlebie Dumfries - shoemaker
Charlotte 37 b Cowie Edinburgh
Mary 7
Samuel 6
Agnes C 5
Peter 5 Months
Kirkliston ED 1 Page 12 Line 15
SAMUEL WELLS Spouse: CHARLOTTE WHITELAW
Marriage: 05 JUN 1853 Kirkliston, West Lothian
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CaroleW
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Thanks Monica
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CaroleW
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I will ask the moderator to merge the 2 topics to prevent any further duplicated work
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MonicaLesl
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Jill
Getting confused here I am  Re reply no.7, the Samuel that Carol has posted looks to be a son from an earlier marriage, the one you mentioned born c. 1826. From Carol's entry, he has followed his father's profession into shoemaking.
I thought your particular interest was JOHN Smith Wells who married Isabella and has a son Samuel Smith Wells in 1850 (census entries for them on the other thread).
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Hi Jill
Not sure if the marriage for Samuel and Agnes is there to be found unfortunately. From general searches, there are a number of people researching this family and none show either marriage details or parent details for Agnes.
From your original list of children showing for Samuel and Agnes, there are a few more showing on trees that you might want to follow up on:
1. Jane Wells
Birth: 1807 - Scotland
Death: Aug 1836 - Middlebie, Dumfries-Shire, Scotland
2. Ann Wells
Birth: Abt 1808 - Middlebie, Dumfries
3. Thomas Wells
Birth: Abt 1813 - Middlebie, Dumfries (Dumfries-shire)
Death: 28 Dec 1879 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Marriage: 19 Dec 1836 - Dumfries, Dumfries-Shire, Scotland
Spouse: Mary Gillison
From the 1851 census, Thomas above with sisters Margaret and Ann:
Thomas Wells 38, Master Shoemaker, b. Middlebie
Mary Wells 35, b. Glencairn, Dumfries
James Wells 11, b. Middlebie
Samuel W Wells 9, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
Agnes P Wells 6, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
Margaret Wells 4, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
John Wells 1, b. Torthorwald, Dumfries
Ann Wells 43, sister, pauper, b. Middlebie
Margaret Wells 31, sister, pauper, b. Middlebie
Address: Dfs Road, Collin, Torthorwald
Sisters show as living with Thomas and wife up to at least the 1871 census.
With the above possible children, marriage for Samuel and Agnes pre 1807 - unless some of the earlier daughters were Margaret McNays?
Monica
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85jbk
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Hi Monica
Thank You for all your help.
You mention in your last post, a number of peolple researching this family, how do I contact them?
You mention Jane Wells born 1807,Scot..d Aug 1936, I had information on Jane.
I did not however have either Ann or Thomas, or Margaret Listed later on living with her Brother Thomas in 1851.
As to Ann being 43 in 1851(born C1808) I would have to guess and say her mother was possibly Margaret McNay.
Given Margarets age is listed as 31 in 1851(born C1820) I am having at a guess that her mother would have to be Agnes as Margaret McNay had died by July 1809.
Samuel and Agnes did have a daughter, Margaret, born C1813 and died aged 8 years in 1821. Sp perhaps Margaret alive and living with brother Thomas in 1851 was born and named after her sister?
Thomas mother would also have to be Agnes given he gives his age at 38 on the 1851 census, (born C 1813)
Jill
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Wells-Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Carlyle -Eaglesfield,Dumfrieshire
Underwood - Ruthwell,Dumfrieshire
Grierson - Ruthwell,Dumfrishire
O'Halloran- Limerick
Bryan (O'Brien)Limerick
Hawks/Hawkes - Staffordshire, England
Badgery - Staffordshire, England
Davis- Cork- Ireland
Neville - Ireland
O'Toole - Limerick
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