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Topic: *Completed*HARDING brickwall - breakthough appreciated (Read 562 times)
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Philcandy
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Do you know who his cousins are from 1851 census - Henry Harding and Thos Alexander? Thomas seems to be the son of a John (40) and Elizabeth Alexander (32) in 1841 census. In 1851 John is a widower, Druggist and Grocer in Glastonbury, but I notice he has an assistant Robert? Welch age 30. Don't know where these fit in though 
The WELCHes could really give you a headache.
James HARDING (ca 1740-1816) married Elizabeth WELCH in 1763, and had eleven children. His sister Mary married William WELCH in 1763, but I haven't been able to trace their children.
In addition, an Ann WELCH, born about 1781, married George HARDING who was a nephew of James. It is quite likely, I would think, that Ann WELCH was his cousin.
So all in all, the link with the ALEXANDER and WELCH families is likely to be quite strong, but I don't know how to go about proving the relationship 
Phil
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syljun
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Sorry to butt in on your research but I am interested in any George Harding's born Somerset around
1770/80. Have you any info on the George Harding married to Ann Welch please? Although I know the George Harding my 3 Grt. Grandfather marr. Joan Holly 1803 at Moorlinch. I am unable to find birthplace of George owing to being only on 1841 Census. Birthplace Somerset.George died 1845. Any info. to make breakthrough would be fantastic as this line has ended without birthplace. I have had a questionable entry of "status" on Marr.Cert. so follow up any mention of George Harding of Somerset. I also have a Harding connection to Welch family but that is later 1907 - Wilts.
Regards, Syljun
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syljun
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Sorry, Have checked my research and found that your George Harding married Ann Welch 13th Feb.1809 at Kelston so have already checked out this George. Brick wall still stands. Regards Syljun
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Philcandy
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Hello Sylvia
I'm sorry that my research didn't help you, but yours has at least helped me! I didn't previously have George's marriage date to Ann WELCH, so that has bee a big bonus.
However i have somewhat garbled record that George married twice - the second time (or maybe it was the first time!) to Eleanor Unknown.
Can you tell me any thing more about 'my' George? For instance have you found the baptisms of any of his children - Mary Ann (1816), William (1817) or Susannah (1821)?
Any help you can provide from your records would, of course, be most welcome.
Kind regards
Philip
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Jo Harding
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Hello Phil,
I have been digging around to see what I can come up with. Not much I am afraid, there are definitely connections with this Harding line and Mere and Stourton, Wiltshire. I think the Harding family in Somerset originate from Wiltshire. I know my line go back to Pewsey, Wiltshire.
I did find the children of Robert HARDING and Mary PHILLIPS. That Robert is shown as born Chinnock, Somerset, c1784. Children shown as William HARDING, born c1814, Chinnock and Elizabeth Phillips HARDING ,born c14/08/1821 Chinnock.
Robert is shown as a Yeoman Farmer.
There is a possible for him in the 1841 in Lamyatt, details given previously by Cat. I note that on the same page, there is a family of George WELCH, Yeoman and children also George, Mary Ann, etc. I can get the full details if you do not have them.
There is a Thomas HARDING in Brinkworth, Wilts on the 1841. He is a farmer and aged 52, born Wilts. Family is Grace HARDING, aged 42, Sarah, aged 20, Jane aged 17 and Ann aged 16. All born in county. Ref. HO107/1181/4. Page 1.
Jo
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syljun
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Hi Phil, Rechecking info. of marriage of George and Ann I found from I.G.I. that it has 1800 for marriage so it would be better for you to check it. My date of 13/2/1809 was hand written so cannot confirm where I obtained info.
I.G.I. has Film No. 184797. Regards, Syljun
Connection of my Harding marrying into Welch family is Mere, Wilts.
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Jo Harding
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Hello Phil,
The Bruton PRs have a couple of entries which may be of interest to you. These are as follows;
Marriage between James HARDING of Wincanton and Elizabeth MUDGE 13/01/1794.
Baptism, 01/10/1794 Mary Mudge daughter of James and Elizabeth HARDING.
Baptism, 16/02/1807, Charles James, son of Charles and Margaret HARDING.
Jo
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Jo Harding
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Hello Phil,
There are some documents in the Somerset RO which give a hint of the Harding family living in these areas.
Lamyatt Deeds ref. D/DC/s.som/38/3 1746-1785.
1000 year lease and assigment of an unspecified plot assigned to Thos Baker, linen weaver of Lamyatt in 1746 and to James Harding of Greencombe, Milton Cleevedon in 1785.
West Quantoxhead Ref, DD/BR/ho/53 1765.
Contents- mortgage for £14,000 for the Manor of St Audries and West Quantoxhead, St Audries Farm and right of presentation to West Quantoxhead Church, the lower House and named lands by Richard Codrington of Bridgewater and Robert Balch of St Audries to James Harding of Mere, Wilts.
Now we need a volunteer to go and look at these in Taunton!
Jo.
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Philcandy
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Thanks Jo
I'll have to mull over all this new information and see if anything presents itself as a possible solution.
Kind regards and thanks for all your help.
Phil
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Jo Harding
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Hello Phil,
I found another link to Mere and Bruton Harding families in the marriages in Bruton.
A marriage on 22/02/1731, Bruton, James HARDIN of Meere and Mary HIGGINS of Bruton.
Also, 02/09/1759. Joseph HARDING to Joan DODIMEAD.
There are some earlier ones if you want them.
Jo
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Fenetta
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Hello Phil,
I too have reached a Henry Harding (Hearding) brickwall. Hope you don't mind if I try to explain??
Fenetta Hearding b. 1830 South Molton (ggggrandmother) married Richard Mardles in Exeter in 1851.
Her father is listed on marraige cert as Henry Hearding, cordwainer. I cannot find him or Fenetta's mother or siblings if any  There is a Henry Hearding b. 1834 South Molton, shoemaker in Wales Census in 1891.
Maybe he is Fenetta's brother?
Fenetta is the name that runs through the generations, many female decendants were given that name.
But here are some of the possible spellings, Finetta Harding buried 1706 Wiltshire
Frances Finetta Harding buried 1743 Wiltshire
I don't know if those Finettas are related to MY Fenetta but it seems possible
Many spellings of Harding also, Hearding, Hardin....
Look at these interesting men found in the 1841 Census living in Cadbury, Devon:
 John Herding b. Devon 1826
Thomas Herrding b. 1827
Yes thats the way the names are spelt on the Census 
Maybe you might come across my Henry in your search. I will keep your Hardings in mind as I search also.
One thing for sure, they are not very easily found 
Maybe they are connected???
Where is Somerset in relation to Devon?
Kind Regards
Fenetta
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London: CHELSEA; Spriggs, Gaffney, Maher
Kent: DOVER ; Spriggs, Boulsbee
Devon: EXETER; Mardles, Hearding
Northamtonshire: OUNDLE; Spriggs, Weston
Berkshire: READING; Spriggs
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CatOne
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I think this may be your Henry in 1861?
Henry Harding 37 Cordwainer South Molton South Devon
Mira 42 Dressmaker Blakeney Gloucestershire
Emma 14 Scholar Myrther South Wales
Fanette 7 Swansea South Wales
Elizabeth 5 Coleford, Gloucestershire
Mariah Helen 3 Coleford Gloucestershire
Newland Whitecliff, Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire
RG9/3980 Folio 21 Page 36
I also saw him in Charles, Devon, in the 1841 census, a servant in the household of a farmer
Regards
Cat 
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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CatOne
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In 1851, he, wife Maria, Emma + visitor Joseph Davis 22 Shoemaker Pembroke Dock are in Back Street, Swansea HO107/2466 Folio 351 Page 17 (transcribed "Harich")
In 1871 the family are at RG10/5331 Folio 56 Page 62 (Fenetta is transcribed as Jeanette) and there is a 6yr old nephew Alfred Roberts (born Trevethin, Monmouthshire), might help if hes from Henry's side not his wifes)
Regards
Cat
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Dunning/Downing, Osborn/e, Astley -Cheshire/Birmingham/Middlesex Fanthorpe/Hall/Driffill/Storm - Lincolnshire Bower/Woodward/Bingham/Pettinger/Shaw - Nottinghamshire Shaw, Marland - Lancashire Broph(e)y - Queens County, Ireland Richards - Neath Swansea Hunt/Fox - Lincs, Waterfield/Middleton - Staffs Hart/Harland/Askew/Scales - Yorkshire Brereton/Vickers - Cheshire Gleaves/Sandford/Hulse/Hulme - Wolstanton/Audley Staffs Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov |
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Fenetta
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Hi Cat One,
Thanks for your interesting reply. Rootschatters really are the greatest. The g.....grandfather Henry that I am not finding is the one who had to be born before 1818-1820 (I think) because his daughter Fenetta is listed in several places as being born in 1830.
The Henry you have found in Wales was born approx 1924?
I think this may be your Henry in 1861? Henry Harding 37 Cordwainer South Molton South Devon Mira 42 Dressmaker Blakeney Gloucestershire Emma 14 Scholar Myrther South Wales Fanette 7 Swansea South Wales Elizabeth 5 Coleford, Gloucestershire Mariah Helen 3 Coleford Gloucestershire Newland Whitecliff, Coleford and Newland, Gloucestershire RG9/3980 Folio 21 Page 36 I also saw him in Charles, Devon, in the 1841 census, a servant in the household of a farmer Regards Cat
Would it be possible that the above Henry is the son of the first Henry and therefore a brother of the first
Fenetta.
Finetta Hardin was an 11yr old servant in South Molton in the 1841 Census. So no parents found in 1841
Is there an age for Henry in Charles, Devon in the 1841 census? Maybe they were very poor or orphans?
There seems to be a definite link between the families, due to similar names etc.
I have an index for Fennetta Ann Hearding, b. Dec 1853, Swansea Vol 11A Pg. 388. Shes the girl above that you found.
I kept that finding because she is surely connected to my g.....gran Fenetta.
They moved around a bit!!!!
Where did they end up??
In your second reply you mention In 1871 family at RG10/5531 etc... Where do I access that??
In 1891 Pontypool, WALES Census Henry Hearding age 67 ,born S. Molton, Widow, shoemaker.
Thanks a million for all your work, its given me hope of finding HENRY
Fenetta
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London: CHELSEA; Spriggs, Gaffney, Maher
Kent: DOVER ; Spriggs, Boulsbee
Devon: EXETER; Mardles, Hearding
Northamtonshire: OUNDLE; Spriggs, Weston
Berkshire: READING; Spriggs
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Philcandy
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Fenetta
Now you've got me looking for the wrong Henry!!
I would say it's odd-on that this Henry is a brother of your Fanetta, which means that since he was born in 1824, and was probably the eldest son, his father would have been born about 1800 or maybe earlier. This at least pushes back your search by a few years.
It also looks as if Henry HARDING (indexed as HEARDING) married Myra PHILLIPS on 10 MAY 1846 at Ganarew, Hereford (IGI). The marriage was recorded in the Monmouth Registration District in the June Quarter of 1846 (Vol 26, page 113). It probably wouldn't add much to get his marriage certificate although it should confirm that his father - like Fenetta's - was also Henry.
It's interesting that their first child was named Emma; you may find that this, or one of the other names in that family, provides a link back to earlier generations.
In case it's helpful, Henry (junior) and Myra were living in High Street, Trevethin Monmouthshire at the time of the 1881 census.
Finally, there is someone descended from Fenetta, the daughter of this family born in 1853. You might like to get in touch and compare notes: http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/DEVON/2001-05/0990376215
Kind regards
Phil
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