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Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« on: Wednesday 26 August 09 00:54 UTC (UK) »

Hi

I live in Melbourne, Australia and was wondering whether anyone could help me with Llanfachreth Parish Baptism records around 1795.

I have traced Humphrey Pugh (my great, great, great grandfather) back to Llanfachreth through the English census records (1841, 51, 61 & 81) which consistently list his birth place and date as Llanfachreth, Merionethshire, 1795.

Although born in Wales, he lived most of his life as a carpenter in Coventry with his English wife Sarah whom he married in Coventry in 1826.  His marriage certificate does not list his parents just witnesses from Coventry so I have no other Welsh connection.

Any insights welcome.

Regards, Nigel Pugh
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Dolgellau
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 14:21 UTC (UK) »

It appears that Humphrey was your first ancestor to use the surname Pugh. These are his Christening details as recorded in Llanfachreth Bishop's Transcripts

Humphrey son of Hugh Jones of Benrhos by Mary his wife 15th September 1794

They had previously had another son called Humphrey who was baptised Sept 1st 1792 and buried Sept 2nd 1792
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Darparwyd  gwybodaeth o'r Ad Esg o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint y Llyfrgell Genedlaethol
Daw wybodaeth arall o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint Cymdeithasau Hanes Teuluol

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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 18:08 UTC (UK) »

In case Nigel is unfamiliar with patronymics - it would be Humphrey ap Hugh meaning son of Hugh which became Pugh. Just google the word as there is a lot to understand. It makes it even more difficult to trace earlier ancestors.

Good luck

Peter
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 August 09 09:53 UTC (UK) »

Dolgellau - Thank you very much for the information - just when I thought it was coming to an end, a whole new area opens up !

Couple of questions:
1) Are the Llanfachreth Bishop's Transcripts available on line? I'd like to follow up Humphrey's siblings to see if I can draw any other conclusions and confirm this is him. He was married in Coventry and had five witnesses but none of them were Pugh's - I'm waiting on the certificate to be delivered but possibly one of his siblings was there.

2) Where the Transcript states Hugh Jones of Benrhos, does that mean he was born in Benrhos and moved to Llanfachreth?  I assume this place is Penrhos on an English map but it appears to be quite far from Llanfachreth.

Peter - I google'd the Welsh patronymics system and was fascinated with what I read.
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 August 09 21:15 UTC (UK) »

Some of the BTs are on line but only from 1813 to 1832, which is a bit late for you

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~alwyn/M/BT/Llanfachreth/index.htm

I have got them on fiche from 1676 to 1836 but they are incomplete and unreadable for many years.

I will have a look through them over thenext few days to see if I can find any more of the family for you.

Benrhos is the name of a farm in Llanfachreth, or two farms to be precise Benrhos uchaf (upper) and Benrhos isaf (lower).
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Mae gwybodaeth Cyfrifiad  wedi ei ddarparu drwy Archif Genedlaethol Lloegr o dan hawlfraint y Goron.
Darparwyd  gwybodaeth o'r Ad Esg o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint y Llyfrgell Genedlaethol
Daw wybodaeth arall o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint Cymdeithasau Hanes Teuluol

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BT lookups are supplied through © of The National Library of Wales
Other lookups are from copyright publications by FHS's
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 30 August 09 00:23 UTC (UK) »

Hugh Jones' wife appears to be Mary Morris

Hugh Jones and Mary Morris both of Llanfachreth by licence June 7th 1775

Their first child comes along with indecent haste:

John Son of Hugh Jones of Benrhos and Mary his Wife 31 July 1775

John is buried in the parish churchyard and has an MI that says (translated). To commemorate that here is buried John Pugh Benrhosisa who left this life 31st day of January 1842 aged 66 years.

They have another son whose name is illegible baptised December 1st 1776
William is baptised 29th June 1778

Evan 19th Nov 1780

Their first daughter Jane is baptised June 2 1784

There is a possible other daughter born in 1788 what the record says is Dorothy daughter of Hugh Jones of Benrhos and JANE his wife. This could be a transcription error.

Dorothy was buried Nov 24th 1806

Gwen the daughter of Hugh and Mary again is baptised on 19th May 19th 1790

Then come the two Humphreys mentioned above

Elinor is baptised on December 27th 1795

William Pugh married Catherine David also of Llanfachreth in the parish church on Feb 13th 1809

The BT's for 1810, & 11 are unreadable, but it appears that William and Catherine had a son Hugh born in 1810 as there is a burial recorded in 1814 for Hugh William aged 4 of Benrhos isaf.


They have another son David baptised July 26th  1812, a daughter Jane bapt Aug 20 1815

Hugh Jones of Penrhos isaf was buried May 23rd 1827 aged 76, giving him an approximate birth year of  1751. There is no record of Mary being buried up to 1832 when my copies of the BT's end.

There is a record of a burial for Jane William of Benrhos Isaf aged 93 on Nov 29th 1817, which is worth keeping in your shoebox. She would have been born about 1724 and would be of about the right age to be one of Humphrey Pugh's grandparents (she might, of course, just have been an old servant).
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Mae gwybodaeth Cyfrifiad  wedi ei ddarparu drwy Archif Genedlaethol Lloegr o dan hawlfraint y Goron.
Darparwyd  gwybodaeth o'r Ad Esg o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint y Llyfrgell Genedlaethol
Daw wybodaeth arall o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint Cymdeithasau Hanes Teuluol

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BT lookups are supplied through © of The National Library of Wales
Other lookups are from copyright publications by FHS's
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 30 August 09 01:06 UTC (UK) »

Thank you very much for looking up all these details!  With this data I can now bridge the gap to the online 1813 - 1832 BT's and then the census data.

A quick look at their first child John (who dies in 1842) shows him on the 1841 census for Llanfachreth village.  He also used Pugh for his surname.

Thanks again,  I really appreciate your help and will let you know how I go.
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 30 August 09 01:54 UTC (UK) »

One other small snippet of information I tried to see if I could find a Hugh son of John born in 1751 or a Mary daughter of Morris about the same time, but the records are too poor to read but I did find one relevant entry:

Morris Jones of Benrhos Isaf slater and Jane Williams of Maes Eglwyson spinster were married by banns 5th Feb 1752

Which suggests that the 93 year old Jane, who died in 1817 was Mary's mother. Because of the oddity of Welsh naming systems this also gives you another generation Morris' father was called John and Jane's father was called William, unfortunately the records for the 1720's when they would have been born were written in Latin a language which I don't have.
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Mae gwybodaeth Cyfrifiad  wedi ei ddarparu drwy Archif Genedlaethol Lloegr o dan hawlfraint y Goron.
Darparwyd  gwybodaeth o'r Ad Esg o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint y Llyfrgell Genedlaethol
Daw wybodaeth arall o gyhoeddiadau dan hawlfraint Cymdeithasau Hanes Teuluol

Census information was obtained through the National Archive under Crown Copyright.
BT lookups are supplied through © of The National Library of Wales
Other lookups are from copyright publications by FHS's
nmelbourne
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Re: Humphrey Pugh, Llanfachreth 1795
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 30 September 09 01:36 UTC (UK) »

Yes - I can confirm that Mary's parents were Morris Jones and Jane Williams.  I was fortunate enough to find Morris (Maurice) Jones Will which had both Jane and Mary as witnesses plus John Pugh (Mary's oldest son).

I also found John Pugh's Will which left 2 pounds to each of his sisters (Jane, Gwen, Mary and Ellen) and brothers (Morris, Hugh, William and Humphrey).  This confirms most of the names you gave me.
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