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toby webb
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Samuel FOSS
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I am looking for some information on a Samuel Foss who in a Dorset burial register in 1875 is recorded as from Torquay although his death certificate says he died at Sydling St. Nicholas, Dorset. In the 1871 census he was a visitor in Swindon, Wilts. so that is unhelpful. There is also other evidence for a Torquay home.
Not being near the Devon Record Office, can anyone give me guidance on what is available on the web that might show where he lived in Torquay.
Thanks, Toby Webb.
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AMBLY
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Hi Toby 
Samuel FOSS
DEATH Sep Qtr 1875 Dorchester, age 71
So born abt 1804.
The 1871 visitor, states he is born Litton Cheney, Dorset.
He's on the 1861 and 1851 Census also - both in Dorset - do you have these?
What is the other evidence that he was in Torquay at some time?
Cheers
AMBLY
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toby webb
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Hi Ambly.
Have you been watching the athletics from Berlin? You were very quick out of the blocks.
You have the right man. I have the other censuses.
The other Torquay evidence is a letter that was sent by one of his sons to his brother after the death of their father and the address at the top of the letter was just Torquay. That son, John, was living at Wolboro in 1881.
Thanks, Toby.
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AMBLY
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Hi Toby 
So, I'm wondering if the Dorset burial register indicating Samuel was from Torquay is in error, and in actual fact it was a mix up due to the the son John being in Torquay around the time Samuel died.....
The 1881 Census in Wolboro Devon for son John (b abt 1841 Hardington Somerset) shows a child born in Torquay:
Son: John H B FOSS age 6, born Torquay.
FreeBMD: BIRTH: John Henry B FOSS - Dec Qtr 1874 Newton Abbot
Perhaps the address of birth for that son, is the one Samuel is connected to - maybe visiting his son for a time? Did wife Thirza die before or after Samuel?
Cheers
AMBLY
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toby webb
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Thanks Terryleaman,
The John that I know married a Matilda. I have never come across a Dinah. The Torquay evidence is limited to the 2 pieces, i.e. burial reference & letter heading. I agree that the burial reference could be wrong . One wonders how the vicar got paid for his services and if it was by hand from someone local or from Torquay. I shall never know.
As far as other references are concerned, were there taxation lists or something equivalent to electoral rolls?
Toby.
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toby webb
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Sorry Ambly for I hadn't replied to your part too.
Thirza died in 1867 so after her death Samuel might have stayed for periods with his sons or daughter and never had a home of his own again. Dying in Sydling suggests he was staying in the house of William Wills his son's father in law.
Could Wolboro loosely be considered to be Torquay?
Thanks to all for giving me new ideas. Toby.
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AMBLY
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Hi Toby
Wolboro(ough) does come under the Newton Abbot registration district, as does Torquay but I don't think Wolboro could be loosely described as Torquay, or part of it. They appear to be 2 distinct places to me. Wolboro inland a ways, and Torquay on the coastline.
Which is not to say that his parents didn't state he was born Torquay for simplicity, Wolboro being such a small place with possibly Torquay considered the satellite town in the area?? Only the birth cert of John HB would sort that one out (or a baptism, but he may not have been baptised where he was born).
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Wolborough/
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Tormoham/
John & Matilda's son John HB is described in both the 1881 and1891 as born Torquay.
Because you do have that letter headed "Torquay", my thoughts would be that John snr was in Torquay (not Wolboro) for a time (between Dec Qtr 1874 and Sep Qtr 1875 up until the time Samuel died, at least), that Samuel went to son John sometime after Thirza died and so was with John in Torquay long enough to be considered "from Torquay at the time of his death, that when Samuel died he was only visiting Sydling as you surmise. Then, after Samuel died John and his family eventually shifted from Torquay to Wolboro in time to be in the latter for the 1881 Census. A shift is not surprising - they did move about as John & his family were in Fulham/Hammersmith London by 1891, in Ilfracombe Devon in 1901 and had been in Kensington/Fulham London in 1871.
I would surmise that the address of birth for John HB is very likely to be the place where Samuel was officially living in Torquay (not Wolboro) up until the time he died (regardless that he didnt die at home in Torquay) .
Cheers
AMBLY
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toby webb
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Thank you Ambly. I think you have it right. I guess this will remain on a back-burner until suddenly some other bit of information comes up. Thanks for your interest. Toby.
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