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Topic: death burial search westminster (Read 138 times)
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smayne
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can anyone help or advise to finding death or burial of ellen oxenham, BORN CHATHAM KENT. 1850 . her mother was ann harriet oxenham . in 1871 census she is a machinist living at grt vine street off regent street. she then dissapears, the rest of her family in 1881 census have moved to eton bucks, her other sister has by now died there of tb. her birth name was ellen read, but took the surname of her stepfather oxenham. have tried searching everything bmd ect, on ancestry , but cant find her, i have contacted cemetaries for westminster:hanwell and east finchley but they have not yet indexed the burials, sent for two different death certificates of ellen oxenham in london but they were the wrong ones due to mothers name not being ann. any ideas much appreciated . smayne
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andycand
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Hi
Have you checked for a possible marriage? Her death record would then be under her married name. Also, parents is not standard information on a death certificate, it would only be on the certificate if they were the informant.
Andy
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smayne
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thanks for reply , yes i have tried looking for marriage, but cant find one , also she never shows up on family records again, the mothers were the informants on both the wrong certificates. im guessing thou she died in or around westminster, thanks anyway, smayne
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Valda
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Hi
Possibilities
On censuses children from a former relationship living with the family often appear in the censuses while they remain at home in the surname of their stepfather. He was the one filling in the household schedule and it would be just convenient to list everyone in the same surname - why have the census enumerator poking into your business (she is not down on the census as step-daughter). Censuses alone therefore aren't sufficient evidence for
' her birth name was ellen read, but took the surname of her stepfather oxenham.'
unless you find her on a census outside of the family home in the surname Oxenham, showing that indeed she did take the surname. Have you therefore eliminated the possibility she married, died or appears on the next census separately from the family in the surname Read - or if there were any other Read children did they also go on as Oxenhams as adults and you have proved they did in fact take Albert's surname?
Or if Ellen did take the surname Oxenham, have you checked for her in the variations of her first name Hel(l)en and Eleanor? Was her birth registered just in the name Ellen or did she have a second name, which she prefered and used when she left home? The order of her names switching on her marriage/death or just using this other name.
Or did she leave home, work elsewhere and die elsewhere e.g. who is this?
Deaths Jun 1875
Oxenham Ellen 25 Camberwell 1d 501
There is only one Ellen Oxenham on the 1871 census of this age and that is the one you are interested in. Have you eliminated this death? Are you saying you have this certificate and the person registering the death gives their relationship to Ellen as mother, but not with the name Ann? Did Ann have a second name and use it on that occasion to register the death?
It appears Ann did have a second name.
Deaths Jun 1895
Oxenham Ann Harriet 68 Windsor 2c 249
Birth year for Ann Harriet circa 1827/6
I'm confused over Ellen's birth surname of Read - this looks like the later marriage of her mother and stepfather - later than the 1871 census where they appear as married, but it appears to be the same couple.
Marriages Jun 1878
OXENHAM Albert St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 798
TUCKER Annie Harriet St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 798
1861 census RG9 479 folio 85
4 Exmouth Terrace Gillingham
Anne Tucker 33 Head Unmarried Dressmaker Brompton Kent (On the 1891 census Ann H Oxenham gives Brompton as her place of birth)
Ellen Tucker 8 Daughter Chatham Kent
Birth year for Ann circa 1828/7
Ellen's birth doesn't look to be registered.
ANN HARRIETT TUCKER
Christening: 02 JUL 1826 Gillingham, Kent
Father: JOHN TUCKER
Mother: SARAH
Brompton was in Gillingham.
The other older children would therefore be Oxenhams by Albert's marriage to Mary Ann who died in 1864 with the two youngest Annie and Elizabeth the daughters of Albert and Ann Harriet.
Regards
Valda
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smayne
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thankyou valda, sorry have not replied sooner was away , have looked through most of those possibilities, i have ellens reads birth certificate, there was no middle name. i also have the death certificate of the ellen at camberwell, her mother signed it , J oxenham, also her occupation was a biscuit packer, i also have the death certificate of ellens sister kate , her mother signed it as ann harriett oxenham she was buried with the name of oxenham. my ellen was a machinist, so it doesnt seem to be the same one. anns maiden name was tucker, she had ellen with jabey read of chatham. she then moved to london where she lived with and then married albert. have tried to find her under both surnames, but will keep trying. thanks for your help.
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