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roby
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Dear All,
My ancestor Thomas Wealands was born 1798, in Sunderland Durham,
Would anyone have access to parish registers of this time. I have trawled the pilot site of LDS without luck for his baptism. Other reseracher have the date as September, 1798, but I have not been able to confirm this.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Roby
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2zpool
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I couldn't find it in my Woods transcript for Sunderland
Janis
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trish1120
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There is a submitted record of his birth abt 1798, Sunderland, Durham on Familysearch. He died 1863 in Australia.
Parents THOMAS Wealands and Margaret TINMOUTH
NSW BMD has this record;
Thomas WEALANDS, 3664/1863, Goulborn NSW.
Fathers name Thomas/ Mothers name unknown
There is an extracted record on IGI for Thomas/Margaret Marriage 27 May 1792, Jarrow, Durham
Trish 
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trish1120
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Hi Barbara ,
Family Tree on Ancestry has him arriving Australia 1824 so he wouldnt be on 1841 Census.
Christening date 27 September 1798, Sunderland, Durham, parents Thomas and Margaret Tinmouth.
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trish1120
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Mmm, interesting
I suppose we will have to wait til Roby is back on-line.
Cheers,
Trish
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roby
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Hi all,
Many thanks for the replies, and my apologies for "missing the discussion re: my post" Thomas Wealands" Family issues and an extended holiday accounted for this. once again my apologies.
However, I would like to continue with my query.
Thomas Wealands came to Australia as a free man on board the"hope" All oz records indicate that he was born in Sunderland Durham about 1798.
It is has been established that his parents were Thomas Wealands and probably an Isabella Todner A marriage for this couple (recorded on IGI as Turner) in Penshaw on 8th January, 1798 found on the Durham Bishops Transcripts on PBT/2/205/135.
HOwever on searching the Bishops Transcripts for Thomas b. abt 1798 and find a child born 27/9/1798 of a Thomas Mills and Isabella Todner (I query whether this could possibly be a error  or is Todner a common name and this is not my Thomas Wealands. "(Therefore the date is the same as noted elsewhere, but the parents are not the same.
Would anyone have access to an index that indicates how many Isabella Todner's married around this time and to whom??
I am still continuing to trawl the Bishops Transcripts for other options.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Regards
Roby
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2zpool
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I see the banns and marriage of Thomas Wealands and Isabella Todner in Penshaw, one of the witnesses Ralph Todner.
I do not see the baptism in Sunderland 27 Sept 1798. No baptisms on that date at all. Do they mean Bishopwearmouth maybe?
I see a baptism of Thomas Welands 1771 in Penshaw s/o Thomas and Anne, also a sister Mary1769. No Todners.
There is a Thomas Wealands born 25 Sept 1798 baptised 21 Oct 1798 1st son of Thomas Wealands, Keelman, Offerton haugh by his wife Isabella Todner, native of Washington Parish
I am looking at the actual film not BT's
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roby
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Janis,
Many thanks for your reply. This is very confusing, as on the BT in the chapelry of Penshaw a birth is recorded as 27th Sept 1798 and a baptism 21/10/1798 for a Thomas Mills, son of Thomas Mills, Keelman, of ?offenton haugh by his wife Isabella Todner, N of Washington parish.
This looks to be the same person, but the surnames are incorrect. Has anyone ever come across this before??
Is it possible to access the record from the film other than the BT via the LDS?? I am in Australia.
Many thanks again for your reply
Roby
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2zpool
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The Bishop's transcript is a transcript. I was looking at the parish record. I don't know how many copies of the parish record are out there. There is one in Durham records office and one at Tyne and Wear. And I own one. The LDS does not have have this or Penshaw would be part of the IGI.
If you look at the film the name is quite clear on the left marigin--the child's name. The father's name is a bit of a blob but the "lands" part written above into the entry above it. They didn't have ball points pens back then. the M and W for the first letter--I think it is a W cause it looks like all the W's in wife all over the page. One might mistake it for a M but side by side you can tell.
I am not sure just where Offerton Haugh is but must be near to the Wear as there are other's who were keelmen that lived at that place.
This was the only baptism of a Wealand/Weland that I saw in this time period. The birth was the 25th not the 27th according to the parish record.
Janis
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2zpool
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I don't know if you saw this burial in Penshaw records: Thomas Wealands, died 27 Dec 1812, buried 29 Dec 1812, age 79, Offerton Haugh, Keelman, native of Houghton, widower.
Ann Henderson of Offerton Haugh native of Houghton, wife of Thomas Wealands Na of (blank)Keelman, died 13 Nov 1808, buried 15 Nov 1808, age 77.
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Janis,
Many thanks for your replies and the information that you have provided me. I now fully understand the errors that are possible with transcriptions. Mistranscriptions certainly make it difficult for researchers to find their ancestors 
Is it possible to obtain a copy of the correct record of Thomas WEALANDS birth in 25/9/1798?? are they available from the record offices?
I believe the Thomas WEALANDS who died 27/12/1812 is the grandfather of the Thomas WEALANDS who emigrated to Australia in 1824.
He married Ann HENDERSON (born abt 1731) on 27/11/1768 in Penshaw and daughter Mary was born in 9/1769 and Thomas 9/1771, follwed by Robert, John Ann and John and there maybe more..
Thomas WEALANDS born 25/9/1798 in Penshaw was a seaman. He was the chief pilot in the Sydney Harbour in 1828 and became the Superintendant of the lighthouse at Watson's bay, in Sydney.
He also competed in many yacht races in Sydney during this time, so the occupation of keelman fits. 
His father Thomas WEALANDS born 9/9/1771 married Isabella TODNER in 8/1/1798 and appears to have died about 2/2 1803? I am not sure where this date has come from as I have omitted to record it.
Janis, would you have access to Thomas or Isabella's burial records?
The name Thomas Wealands in this family continued until at least 1960's and maybe beyond. Certainly makes researching interesting.
I have never been to Northumberland although it is on my next trip, so I wonder what "the Wear"means?
Once I am very grateful for your checking of the parish records for Thomas's baptism.
regards
Roby
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2zpool
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River Wear--most just call it "The Wear" flows through Co. Durham. There are a few weirs on the Wear but I don't think that is how it got its name.
Burials Penshaw:
Anne Wealand 6 Mar 1779, daughter of Thomas, Offerton Water Side
The others I gave you except for a burial of Ann daughter of Mary in 1795. I have an index from 1813-1839 and no other Wealands mentioned.
You can write to the records office and for a fee they will send you a copy of the parish record. I don't have a machine that makes printed copies - just a viewer.
The burial of Thomas Wealand is in Sunderland Holy Trinity. He died 2 Feb 1803, buried 4 Feb 1803, keelman, Silver Street
I found a baptism in Sunderland that I believe belongs to this family: Most because it falls on the same day as Thomas burial. Sad but true.
4 Feb 1803 Isabella Wealand, born 20 Jan 1803, 2nd daughter of Thomas Wealand, keelman, [native of] Low Etherrington, & Isabella Turner, his wife, [native of] Washington I wonder if Isabella isn't really Todner. I am only looking at an index not the handwriting from the parish record. Isabella is probably young enough to have remarried.
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