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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 17:02 UTC (UK) »

Well...... that engine is bugging me  Huh It is a tank engine..... and.... looks to me very much like a Robinson C14 Great Central Railway Class 9L Atlantic Tank Engine. I might well be mistaken, but that unusually large dome is typical of the class.

Perhaps judge for yourselves here;

http://www.lner.info/locos/C/c14.shtml

I do believe the photo will have been taken at the beginning of the trip rather than the end, as I have a very similar picture of a group outing taken in 1921 just before the charabanc set off from Bradford to Bridlington for the day! Perhaps the charabanc has picked up the folk and taken them to the railway station for a trip to the coast.

Hope you don't mind but I reversed the train to give a better comparison with the Robinson loco on the above site.

Philip


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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 18 September 09 11:04 UTC (UK) »

Thats amazing, so now I have a day trip on a train, to somewhere on the Hay-Brecon Railway (probably).  The train was probably a Robinson C14 Great Central Railway 9L Atlantic tank engine on the Midland Railway.

Great idea dealing with the picture by reversing.  All I need now is to figure out the trip by looking at a map?

Regards Trish
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 18 September 09 11:37 UTC (UK) »

The engine in the photo isn't a Great Central Railwal 4-4-2T as suggested.  It has a 'splasher' at the front (the half- round thing down from the engine funnel) - a sort of mudguard over the wheel - which, from its size, is obviously over a driving wheel. Hence the engine doesn't have bogie wheels leading, but driving wheels.

I thought it was an 0-6-2T but (after a bit of reading) I'm sure now that it's a Midland Railway 0-4-4T.  And my money's on the Neath & Brecon line.

Assuming the photo is of a party from South Wales, the nearest they'd have seen a Great Central Railway engine was at Wrexham. 
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #18 on: Friday 18 September 09 12:00 UTC (UK) »

The engine in the photo isn't a Great Central Railwal 4-4-2T as suggested.  It has a 'splasher' at the front (the half- round thing down from the engine funnel) - a sort of mudguard over the wheel - which, from its size, is obviously over a driving wheel. Hence the engine doesn't have bogie wheels leading, but driving wheels.

I thought it was an 0-6-2T but (after a bit of reading) I'm sure now that it's a Midland Railway 0-4-4T.  And my money's on the Neath & Brecon line.

Assuming the photo is of a party from South Wales, the nearest they'd have seen a Great Central Railway engine was at Wrexham. 


Hi Henry

I agree it isn't a GCR loco - the chimney is the wrong shape in any case.

I had thought all along that it could have been an 0-4-4T - but I could never quite convince myself that I was seeing a splasher rather than the top of someone's hat!  Nor can I find anything to suggest that MR 0-4-4Ts ever ventured into Wales - Great Malvern was possibly the limit.  Because of the gradients in South Wales, six-coupled loco's seem more likely.  About a dozen "Jintys" were exiled to Swansea ... and then there were LNWR "Coal Tanks" at Abergavenny.
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #19 on: Friday 18 September 09 13:07 UTC (UK) »

Could anyone translate for me!  Grin not being up on railway engines, what is a six coupled or jinty?
regards Trish
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #20 on: Friday 18 September 09 13:17 UTC (UK) »

I have just taken a look at Wikipedia and there is quite a bit on this railway for Neath & Brecon.  It also mentions a station called Free Street Joint Station, where trips were run from.  According to that the place most likely to be visiting was Swansea.

1930 - London Midland and Scottish Railway cease passenger services from Swansea/Neath/Brecon to the Midlands

This is getting interesting!
Regards Trish
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #21 on: Friday 18 September 09 16:14 UTC (UK) »

Hi Trish

Gave your pic a quick tidy.

Caz


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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #22 on: Friday 18 September 09 16:48 UTC (UK) »

is it me or are there more people on the photo than could fit on the coach
looks to me like a midland 0-6-0 but in 1924 the valleys were full of railways
and  brynmawr was on the heads of the valley line,LNWR territory.

mazi's other half.
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #23 on: Friday 18 September 09 18:50 UTC (UK) »

I cannot thank you enough the picture looks amazing and Mazi I knew there was something about this photo, all the seats are taken and then there's all those standing out side the charabanc.  Regards Trish
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 19 September 09 00:37 UTC (UK) »

Hi Trish

You're very welcome.  Have you noticed that all the seated passengers are women and children.  I think it some sort of mother's club/union outing.   Also, some of the men standing in the front appear to have the same label badge (at first I thought it was damage but then I realised it was a badge!  Roll Eyes  I accidentally removed one of the badges so I've put it back).   Could it be some sort of union/society outing organised  for mother's and children? 

As Philip thinks it was taken at the beginning of the trip, it's possible the men were there to see them off, which would explain the abundance of  people compared to seats.

Probably way of the mark, but it's fun speculating!  Smiley


Cheers
Caroline

PS One of the chaps in the front is wearing an eye patch.


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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 19 September 09 00:49 UTC (UK) »

PS  There was a branch of the Mother's Union in Wales.

http://www.themothersunion.org/historyofmu.aspx

Caroline
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 19 September 09 07:48 UTC (UK) »

I just thought ..... (maybe  Grin)  they could be off to the 'HIRING MARKET'..............

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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 19 September 09 07:57 UTC (UK) »

A great photo and a fascinating post.

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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 19 September 09 10:25 UTC (UK) »

There could possibly be other charabancs out of shot........ With the men dressed so smartly I think they will all be going to where-ever it is they are going. I Find the chap hanging onto the side of the vehicle with his hand on the shoulder of the man in front of him interesting. I wonder what their connection was. I also wonder if he is squeezing the lady's leg out of shot and that is why she doesn't look amused Shocked Only kidding.

I think they have been taken to the railway station and that the train in the picture is chartered for their trip. No way of knowing for sure though.

Do you know what your families occupations were. Where I grew up in a mining town Miners Welfare had annual trips and social events on a regular basis with their own park and band stand.

It is interesting to speculate, but frustrating not to know for sure Sad

Philip
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Re: Day trip to Where?
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 19 September 09 10:37 UTC (UK) »

I think the badges are significant and agree with Philip, if it's not just for the mothers, then it is some sort of union outing and the chaps in the front where the organisers, hence their prominence in the photo. 

I did also think there could be other vehicles of camera as well but do you think they would travel women and childnre in one, men in the other, possibly I suppose (rather sexist!!  Grin).

Obviously mining union/society outing would be a good a bet for Wales.  It would be great if Trish does know their occupations.

Caroline

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