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Topic: Brighton or Kentish Packhams! (Read 857 times)
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Roy G
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I am having discussions with someone on another website about William Henry Packham, born c1844. We know that he married Mary Jane Parnell in 1882 and that a son, also William Henry Packham was born in 1884 (reg late in the Steyning district) but do not have the 1891 census to find him and his family.
The 1911 census says he was born in Kent, but unless there were two Williams with similar details, at present all the earlier evidence points to him being Brighton born, and perhaps even having been married before in Brighton in 1866 and a widower by 1881. (1881 entry in Chichester?)
I would be most grateful if someone could look up this William H Packham, his wife Mary (from Hampshire or Kent) and their 6 year old son on the 1891 census and compare this with the 1871 (then married to a Jane) to see if these appear to be the same man and if so, advise me of the details, particularly William's stated place of birth in both cases.
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Hmmmmm - you seem to have editted the detail ....
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cant see the suggested combo in 1871 ..... 
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Is this him ?
1861 - RG9/582; Folio: 11; Page: 16 - Cuckfield
Hodshrove Farm House
all born Cuckfield except Caroline
William Packham 46 Head Farmer of 84 acres
Caroline Packham 49 Wife Sussex, Lewes, St Anns
William Packham 18 son
Eunice Packham 16 dau
Ann Packham 14 dau
Edwin Packham 11 son
Emma Packham 9 son
Joseph Packham 6 son
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wasnt 100% about the above in 1871 - but by 1901 ...
1901 - RG13/919; Folio: 50; Page: 3 - Falmer, Sussex
Lewes Road
William Packham 58 Head born Cuckfield
Hannah Packham 43 Wife Essex, Danbury
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stepping back to 1891, he's already in Falmer, a Widower ..
1891 - RG12/801; Folio 44; Page 17 - Falmer
William Packham 48 WIDOWER Head Farm Bailiff born Cuckfield
Emily F Packham 19 dau Housekeeper do
Francis E Packham 17 son do
George E Packham 16 son Keymer
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In 1881 his wife is Sarah Ann .... c1846, Cuckfield.
RG11/1075; Folio: 47; Page: 13 - Falmer
Upper Bevendean
anyways, over to you !
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Roy G
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Thanks Past master and Tati
The 1891 is certainly bang on, but that has now switched my direction somewhat for the Brighton references I have no longer seem to dovetail.
Will have to look at the Cuckfield area in more detail and see if the IGI can come up with a baptism of William or his younger sister Emily and then get back to the censuses again
Past master, is your other step back to 1881 and not 1891?
Roy G
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RG12 - 1891
RG11 - 1881 - posted above
you did note that the 1891 Wm married to Mary J was born c1861 - not 1844 ?
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Roy G
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Yes noted the age variation.
The supplier of info may have got their maths a bit wrong and also slipped a generation.
William son of William son of what I was given to understand was William etc.
The confirming cruncher though was the Biddenden in Kent entry for the last in the line.
He appears that way in the 1911 census and the 1884 freeBMD has his birth registered in Steyning district (Hove) but as a late entry, suggesting he was born away but registered on return.
Some of the other Cuckfield Packhams you have kindly given me may be family but ages again do not reinforce them as the direct ancestors. Emily F (Frances) was not the sister Emily on the 1891 for example, and Emily (without the F) gave her father's name as George on her IGI Baptism. So it does look as though William was 30 (not 36) if this is them on the 1881 census.
Cranbrook, Kent, RG11 Piece / Folio 0937 / 73 Page Number 11
George PACKHAM 49 Cuckfield, Sussex, Ag Labourer
Elizabeth L. PACKHAM wife 46 Cuckfield, Sussex,
William PACKHAM Son 21 Cuckfield, Sussex, England Ag Labourer
Mary A. PACKHAM Daur 14 Bolney, Sussex,
Jane PACKHAM Daur 12 Bolney, Sussex,
Emily PACKHAM Daur 10 Cuckfield, Sussex,
Looks as though my colleague is going have to do some serious amendments to her family tree.
Roy G
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Roy G
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Now asking a further favour, having found IGI references to the siblings on the 1881 immediately above but not eldest son William or his parents George and Eliza(beth). So it would help if someone could direct me to this same family on the 1861 and 1871 censuses hen they were probably still in either Cuckfield or Bolney.
Side note
An 1860 Cuckfield baptism of a Harriett Packham dtr of George has the mother as Louisa. Could this have been a first wife or was Elizabeth using her middle name that started with an 'L'?
Roy G
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Back to your request then 
1871
RG10/1062 4 1
Cuckfield, Sussex
Collins
George Packham, head, 39, Ag lab, b. Cuckfield
Eliza, wife, 37, b. do.
Stephen Smith, son in law, 14, Ag lab, b. do.
William Packham, son, 10, scholar, b. do.
George, son, 8, scholar, b. do.
Elizabeth, dau, 6, scholar, b. do.
Mary E C, dau, 4, b. Bolney
Jane, dau, 1, b. do.
1861
RG9/581 110 3
Balcombe, Sussex
Balcombe Lane
George Packham, head, 29, Ag lab, b. Cuckfield
Eliza, wife, 27, b. do.
Stephen Smith, step son, 4, b. do.
William Packham, son, 1, b. do.
Stephen Reeves, lodger, wid, 70, Ag lab, b. do.
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