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Carole Anne
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I also think that over time the Captain bit of the Parnells was probably enhanced a little bit. Don't you, but there still could conceivably be some truth in it.
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Roy G
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You skould have this.
1891 - RG12/819; Folio 93; Page 23 - Hove, Steyning District
28 Allen Street, Hove
William H Packham 30 Head Carman born Sussex, Cuckfield
Mary J Packham 39 Wife Hants, Portsmouth
William H Packham 6 son Kent, Biddenden
Emily Packham 19 Sister Sussex, Cuckfield
and this
1891, Samuel , a general labourer, living in Newcastle on Tyne with Caroline. RG12/4211 Folio 50 Page 28
To the latter you can now add
In 1901, Samuel is back in Cranbrook, Kent, living on his own means
(it is believed Caroline died in the Newcastle district during the December quarter of 1894 and Samuel in Cranbrook during the June quarter of 1901)
Roy
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Roy G
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Re Samuel and boats.
The boats Samuel was on as captain or mate all seemed to be small coastal craft. I tried putting the names of his and his brothers vessel in to get some idea of their cargoes but drew a blank there. Did however note what I believe is a transcription error between the 1861 and 1881 censuses
In 1871, Samuel (a mariner merchant service) is staying with his brother Christopher Parnell, 47, Master Mariner Merchant Service RG10/1144 62 29
Christopher and Ship’s mate George Sheffield are on board The Polly off Dorset in 1881.
In 1861, Samuel appears to be the mate on board The Glance (7 people on board, Master George Shetliff
The other seman's name name conflicts with the 1881 census so I suspect it should be George Sheffield in both censuses
Roy G
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Stewart39
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I also think that over time the Captain bit of the Parnells was probably enhanced a little bit. Don't you, but there still could conceivably be some truth in it.
I too am a descendent of the Parnells of Southsea! I have given “Who do you think you are?” type PowerPoint presentations in which they prominently feature.
Samuel Parnell and Caroline Bishop had four daughters: Ellen Kean Parnell; Mary Jane Parnell; Emma Caroline Parnell; and my direct ancestor, Alice Parnell.
I have a large amount of information on them and the Parnell family that I would be happy to share with you.
I just do not know where to start posting as I have so much information on the Parnells – and am seeking more, especially photos of the Parnells, and more details on Samuel Parnell’s hotel ownership and being swindled. He also rented out houses in Southsea - I have seen the Rent Books.
I have 3800 names in my family tree, including the Parnells. I would be happy to send GEDCOMS to those interested in exchange for some help in filling my empty spaces and searching out photos.
My tree of the Parnells ranges from: Richard Parnell/Elizabeth Newnham; Richard Newnham Parnell/ Jane Jones & Family; James Parnell/Jane Hooper; Samuel Parnell (Snr) and wives 1.Maddocks & 2.Pennal/ and Samuel Parnell/Caroline Bishop. In addition, I have extended my tree with information on the various Parnell siblings. By the way, regarding Samuel's lost fortune, I suspect that his young second wife might have had something to do with it!
In respect of Mary Jane Parnell, she has been the most difficult of the Parnell sisters to track down, but I have complete details of her birth; working in Eastbourne while the family moved to Tower hamlets becoming pregnant; giving birth to a daughter Mary Jane Parnell in Gateshead; the death of her child in Ouseburn, Newcastle; moving to Cranbrook to live with her sister Ellen Kean; her marriage to William Henry Packham; birth of her son; then her death and that of her husband.
Apart from 1901, when she and William went AWOL, I have details of where she lived throughout her life.
The Parnell girls all had major sadness in their lives, in one way or another. Ellen Kean – had no children; Mary Jane had an illegitimate daughter who died, aged three; Emma Caroline Parnell had an illegitimate daughter in Newcastle, who died; she married a widower and had a daughter, who died; then she had a son who lived; then her husband died; and she left Newcastle to live with sister Ellen Kean in Cranbrook, Kent, until she remarried spending the rest of her days in Cranbrook.
The Parnells who are buried in All Saints , Jesmond, Newcastle are: Caroline; Alice, young Mary Jane and baby Emma Caroline. I have located and marked the graves of the first three named and plan to plant crosses on them.
By the way, Roy G thought that in 1871, Samuel Parnell living with brother, Christopher in Southsea, might be a transcription error. It isn’t. The family home had moved to Tower Hamlets, but Samuel still sailed out of Portsmouth with his younger brother, Christopher.
As an interesting footnote: the 1928 FA Cup Medal Winner with Newcastle United, Edward Mooney, was brought up by Alice Parnell and Actors Jimmy Nail and his sister Val McLane are also related to Alice Parnell!
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Carole Anne
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Hi Everybody, My 2nd cousin Ian sent me this e-mail and I am thrilled to bits to find that what I was told was basically true. The last message on here is more or less the same . Stewart M Adamson being the informant .Wow so chuffed! I do not fully understand all computer speak so will have to get on of my boys to help get this all recorded correctly. Keep up the good work. Regards Carole
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Stewart39
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Carole
The information that you got from Ian was in fact mine that I sent to his wife Kim!
I have extensive information on the Parnells and have started writing a book on them and my other Ancestors, who had interesting lives.
Can you help me with the source of your information regarding Samuel and his Hotels? My records indicate that he only had one sister, Mary, yet your post refers to his 'sisters' (plural) swindling him.
Samuel's father, also a Samuel, owned 12 Bellevue Terrace, a Small Hotel (now a Wine Bar!!) in Southsea. Within a year of his wife dying he remarried a young lady - far too young for him - and within a very short time, he too died, and I am trying to establish what happened to his wealth. The Parnell sons, Samuel and Christopher, appear not to have got any of it; perhaps the young widow disappeared off the Norfolk with it, where she went to live. I am seeking out any Wills that Samuel senior may have made
Do you have any photos of the Parnells or any of their Packham or other descendants?
In my previous post I omitted to mention the sad tale of my Great Grandmother, Alice Parnell (Mooney) - Samuel and Caroline's youngest daughter. She had 19 (repeat NINETEEN) children, 11 of whom died either at birth or very young. Some were twins including my Grandfather. They do not appear in any Census records, but I am on their case. She then lost two sons within three-months in WW1 leaving 6 living out of 19.
My late Mum recalled Alice as being a lovely, popular person who, despite the 19 kids, was very slender and elegant and softly spoken. She lived in dire poverty and died quite young - indeed before any of her older sisters. I only wish I had a photos of her! Her husband, Dominic Mooney was, by all accounts, not at all popular and was banished from my Mum's home when she was young! He was referred to as "That drunken Irishman"!!
I can just envisage all Parnell girls being nice people, as their mother Caroline also appeared to be. From my Mum's description, I think that Alice (and possibly other Parnell girls) looked like my Aunt Ellen - tall, slim and softly spoken. I have photos of her. My Mums sisters all had the names of the Parnell girls, in various combinations, and one of my Uncles had Samuel's first name.
Finally, does anyone know when Ellen Kean Boorman (nee Parnell) died. It does appear that she lived to a ripe old age (85+) but laboriously searching through official BMD records (and buying some wrong death certificates!) I haven't yet come across her death.
Carole, I have your email address: is it OK for me to contact you via that please?
I think that I can help you with more information - can you help me? Thank you.
Kind regards
Stewart
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Carole Anne
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Dear Stewart, Yes you can contact me through my e-mail address.
It was my mother Cynthia Violet Winifred Ralf (nee Packham) that
told me of the stories about the Packhams,Parnells and Voice's.
All from Sussex and surounding areas.Time can play funny tricks
with the memory but My Mother and my eldest brother both said
that it was a Captain Parnell's sisters that squandered the money
whilst he was at sea,and that on his return after being at sea for
a long time ,had to sell the hotels to pay back the debts they had
incured. I have photo's of my Grandfather Packham ..I am wondering
if my cousins may have more. I will try to find out.
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