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Topic: owen& mary griffiths 1871 census (Read 367 times)
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margaret davies
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 Hi!, I`m torn between these two,, Owen was a tailor/farmer by trade and the second Mary worked for a draper/ grocer,they could have met there, thats if he had a store,  the old romantic person that I am  ,
It could be any one of them couldn`t it? both dates are 3yrs either side of her birthdate which is 1838, I think a certificate is the only answer here just to see if she got married from one of these addresses what do you think, Marg,,,
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margaret davies
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Well, I`m glad its not me being "THICKO I`ve been pulling my hair out with this lot,D
I have failed as I said before to find any of the children of Morris and Esther, until the help I`ve had now, I`ve found Phebe living at EGLWSfair on the 1891 and today confirmed by a RC on the 1901,and why did she move there on her own when her mother was living with her sister Mary??  , but the rest have gone into thin air, Thank you so much for being so patient and looking, Regards Marg,,
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margaret davies
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:)Are you sure its not too much trouble Barbara??
The help would be appreciated,
!841 its only Mary b 1838, Martha b 1840,by 1851 Mary is off, Martha is still there aged 11yrs,Stephen b1843, John b 1846, Hannah b 1848 and Rees b 1850( who is my G/Grandfather ) he married an Elizabeth Lewis born at LLanwrthwl in the Elan Valley, they married at St Gatwgs church, Cadoxton Juxta Neath, then 1861 those siblings have left and there is Phebe b1852 and Hester b 1855,on the 1871 census Morris and Esther are there with Phebe, 1881 Esther andPhebe only.
All the children were born at Llanboidy, the name of the home being Rhos..Esther was born at EGLWYSFAIR, where that is I don`t know, but that is where I find Phebe on the 1891/1901 censuses,
Hope this is not too much of a muddle, with thanks Marg,,
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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You're right, all out working! good map here showing all the places mentioned
- see this map http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/showmap?GR=SN216232,T=PP
1861 census - all possibles for reasons stated in italics
RG9 Piece 4146 Folio 72 Page 2
Gelly, Llanglydwen, Carmarthenshire
in household of Anne Phillipps, farmer
Rees JOHN serv. 14 Shepherd of the Sheep Llanboidy
I know he's 14 and should be 11 or 12, but he's the only possible and Llanglydwen isn't far away
RG9 Piece 4138 Folio 78 Page 17
Triskell? Farm, Llanfihangel Abercowin, Carmarthenshire
in household of farmer Jonah Williams
Anna John servant 14 Servant Llanboidy
Hannah was sometimes written as Anna
Too many John JOHNs to be sure which is yours, only one listed as born Llanboidy is with different parents
No sign of Stephen
No definite Martha JOHN, and too many marriages to be sure of her either
We've been through the possibilities for Mary!
Will check 1871 census tomorrow (today now!) and see if I have better luck there
Barbara
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`There are two lasting bequests we can give our children - One is roots - the other is wings`- Hodding Carter Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukLincs & Yorks - SIVILLS PREDGEN Norfolk - EBBS WHITEROD ZIPFELL Sweden - JÖNSSON CRONBERG ANDERSSON Yorks - SPENCE HIDE HIRD Durham - DALKIN SELBY RENWICK |
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margaret davies
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Hi! Barbara, Sorry its now I`m replying, our Grandaughters birthday celebrations so had to help there.
Can I go to your reply 23, Rees in Merthyr as a minor, not impossible, and Stephen in Aberdare, these places are so close together, Rees did get married in Neath where he later worked I believe, did Stephen and Naomi have a family? sometimes the names of the children give us a clue such as Grandparents names, I know that Rees`s children the first born was ESTHER ANN, Esther after his mother and Ann after his wifes mother who was ANN PUGH then M Griffith Lewis Marg,,
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Ecneps
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Rosalie Mathilda Jönsson 1916-1999
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Hi Marg, hope you enjoyed the party!
I'm sorry I can't tell you if Stephen & Naomi had family, as I said, I can't see them before 1891 - you could try parish records to see if there were any children. No mother's maiden names on freebmd before 1911 so you can't tell from a civil registration index.
My guess is they emigrated between census. Either that or they're badly mis-indexed
As for the girls, it means going through the possible marriages and checking with the registrar for father's name, too many to choose from, so I think I've done as much as I can on the family. Feel free to post a separate new post for them so someone else can have a look, but if you do, include a link to this post so the searching isn't duplicated
Kind regards,
Barbara
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`There are two lasting bequests we can give our children - One is roots - the other is wings`- Hodding Carter Census and bmd information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk and www.scotlandspeople.gov.ukLincs & Yorks - SIVILLS PREDGEN Norfolk - EBBS WHITEROD ZIPFELL Sweden - JÖNSSON CRONBERG ANDERSSON Yorks - SPENCE HIDE HIRD Durham - DALKIN SELBY RENWICK |
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margaret davies
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Well, yes we did enjoy the party,18, 12yr olds going on 22yrs, BBQ, chocolate fountian with fruit to dip in and lemonade fountian,loud music,and then a sleepover, my poor ears today are ringing,, but a great lot off kids, no trouble at all,,
Thank you so much for all your hard work with these rellies, I think I will put a post on the Merthyr site just to see if someone might come up with them there for 1871, married in1870,was it?
wish me luck,,
THank so much once again,, Regards Mar4g,,
PS, forgot to mention I found on the 1881 census a Martha John M to Benjamin john with children, John JOhn and Phebe, now is that a family line I wonder?
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margaret davies
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HI! Barbara, Thought I would let you know that I did find these two in America on Family search for 1880 census,so they must be there on the 1871also,it doesn`t give a lot of information though Marg,,
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who are they then?? Surely one must be your Mary.