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Topic: Lookup desperately needed! Annie Gordon, mother of Maggie Birnie? (Read 678 times)
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sellio
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I have been searching for 6 months now for evidence of my great grandmother.
Her name was Annie Gordon and she was the mother of Maggie Birnie (my grandmother). Annie was a witness in 1911 to Maggie's marriage to William Gardiner in Banff. She is still known as Annie Gordon, not Birnie. Maggie came from Watermill, Fraserburgh (marriage cert). Maggie's father is named (marriage & death certs) as Charles Birnie. He is not shown as deceased in 1911.
I cannot find Maggie, Annie or Charles anywhere before Maggie's marriage to my grandfather, William ,and so my genealogy search has stopped. William married Christian Ewan in 1877 then he and Christian emigrated to Alberta. When Christian died in 1909 William returned to Scotland (early in 1911, I think). In August 1911 he married Maggie, 30 years his junior.
Maggie's dates are 1885(+/-1)-1954
Can anyone help at all? I feel I am up against a brick wall.
Regards,
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Piglet01
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Hello
As soon as a saw your post I suspected that your Maggie Birnie had been born out of wedlock. I might still be wrong....
For other 'lurkers'.
There is no record of a marriage between an Ann/Anne, or Annie Gordon to a Charles Birnie in Scotland between 1855 and 1911.
In Scotland 1885/86 there are the following births
3 x Maggie Birnie
4 x Margaret Birnie
12 x Maggie Gordon. - oops forgot to look for Margaret Gordon
I'd ask someone with access to look for the 1891 census in Fraserburgh area for a mother Annie/Annie and a Margaret Gordon. Unfortunately Gordon is a common surname in the NE of Scotland.
Am am work and trying to download a cert (one of the Maggie Birnies - the other 2 have middle names), to see if she's yours. Shall post my findings in 45 mins - have to use another pc as this one won't let me download. I finish work in 20 mins.
Regards, Steve
Update: was unable to open the downloaded cert - seems the work pc security won't allow. Also have seen the Monica is on the case :O) shall leave it there. Thanks M...... (who has also helped me).
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McDonald originating in Aberlour. Smith (Aberdeenshire/Aberdeen), Esslemont, Christie, Robbie; Scott (in Aberdour). Crosbie and Willison. Borders: Lawrie, Thomson, Paxton, Peacock, Amos, Robson, Turner, Bertram, Watson
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sellio
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Thankyou for your hard work, Steve.
Illegitamacy was my thought too.
I have trawled the census data (1891) for Annie and Maggie but no luck so far. I thought I'd found her in Arberlour orphanage but the given parents were different. What surprises me is although I cannot find the two together, there is Annie as a witness to the wedding in 1911.
The other witness to the marriage was George Ironside but how he fits in the picture is anyone's guess!
thanks again. Perhaps I'll never find Annie's roots.
Regards,
Sheila
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sellio
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P.S.
I am of the mind that Maggie may have been brought up by her grandparents and if I found them I would find Maggie.
Sheila 
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MonicaLesl
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Sheila
I too cannot find anything as yet with confidence in 1891/1901 for Maggie or Margaret under either Gordon or Birnie
Just a point on the reference to Fraserbugh. I think this came from what you said from her marriage cert. It is likely that this was simply her usual residence at the time of her marriage not her place of birth which is not included on marriage certs. I think at this stage, without further info she could have been born anywhere....
What was Charles Birnie, the reputed father's occupation on Maggie's marriage or death certficates?
Monica 
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sellio
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Ah! Ha! Friends.
It is 11p.m. and having spent a second mortgage and an alternative lifetime on Scotlands people I have, AT LAST, found it!!!
Margaret, aka Maggie, Birnie, illegitimate (says so on the cert), born 1887 in Macduff, Banffshire (which, incidentally, is where my father was born). She was born on 24th August at 2 a.m.
Now, onto Charles and Annie (listed as Ann on Maggie's birth cert). Only info is Charles listed as Farm Servant, Siverhillocks, Gamrie
Ann listed as domestic servant, 7 Tarlain Street, Maduff.
Thankyou so much for all your help... it's been a long slog!
Sheila
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MonicaLesl
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Well done you  It does feel like you have climbed a mountain!
Monica
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MonicaLesl
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Possible for Charles in 1881:
Charles Birnie, 17, farm servant b. MacDuff working in Mains Of Cullen in Gamrie.
Not to many to chose from which is a good thing!
Monica
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sellio
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Several!
Any suggetsions where I go from here?
Sheila
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sellio
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Oooh! Monica, that sounds promising.
Cheers!
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MonicaLesl
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How about this one for Maggie - not too sure given the names:
Ann Davidson 67, b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
Gordon Davidson 26, railway lab. b. Auchterless, Aberdeenshire
Margt Birnie 3, granddaughter, b. MacDuff
Address: 7 Tarlair St, MacDuff
What was the address of birth for Maggie in 1887?
Monica
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sellio
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Brill!
Now, I've just searched Scotlands people and I came up with 2 Charles Birnies born 1868- 1871. None in Banff then in all Scotland- only 2 and the winner looks to have come from the Orkneys! That's interesting.
Sheila
PS
Also, in later years, one of William's (Maggie's husband) children was Alexander Davidson gardiner. Perhaps thats the Davidson connection
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sellio
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...and, that's the address Maggie was born at.
I may die of excitement.. I've been picking at this since February!
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sellio
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One thing, why is Ann called Ann Gordon if Maggie's grandparents are called Davidson?
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MonicaLesl
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Susan, I was about to post this so will leave as is:
The only Charles Birnies born in Banff showing on IGI:
1. CHARLES BIRNIE Birth: 20 MAY 1833 Gamrie - married to Isabella, shows with her and children in 1881
2. CHARLES BIRNIE Birth: 07 MAY 1851 Gamrie - can't see him in 1881 but shows in 1891, a farm servant working in King Edward Aberdeen.
3. CHARLES BIRNIE Birth: 02 MAR 1864 Banff, Banff - can't see him at all in 1881/1891 (except for the 17 year old in 1881 but he shows as born in MacDuff (Gamrie) as I posted
Money is on NO.2 or 3 at this stage 
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